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  I had breakfast with 50+ JWs on Sunday

  by zimunzucz in

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  2. friends

  we pulled into a hotel parking lot saturday around 6pm on the return leg of a wonderful family vacation to new england - an then fate stepped in---a man in a suit got out of a car with the rest of a picture perfect family.

  i immediately noticed all the name tags--- and my blood pressure spiked 50pts- damn!!

  i was booked in a 4 story hotel full of jws-- the only time they took off the name tags was in the swimming pool- they were so proud of themselves.. at 6:30 am the hot water went cold in the wife's shower- what do you expect on the 4th floor when a herd of jws is trying to get ready at the same time?

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  Love it!
  

  The best is to use their literature against them, dig some old print from WT.
  
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  Convention Invites are Idiotic

  by cookiemaster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, like every year, there's a campaign going on about giving people convention invites and urging them to attend the convention.

  what an utterly moronic waste of time.

  we live 500+ kilometers away from the convention hall.

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  Also nobody mentions that large gathering make easy to spread a propaganda. It is indoctrination. While many people are oblivious to WT doctrines and lag in field service, the convention attempts to stir up the association of one individual to a large pool of people by production of well measured hysteria. In that moment, people became spiritually delirious and feel the moment of being Chosen people. I witnessed several of these conventions where tens of thousands JWs gathered in one place like in Strahov 1991 with 80,000 to 100,000 people, and the mass spiritual hysteria had occurred.

  The mass gatherings are not specialty of JWs, they were invented in the 19th century by German nationalists. Mass rallies became popular for other nationals in Austria-Hungary as early as 1868 as a result of Pan-german conventions. Later they had political context and were used by both Stalin and Hitler totalitarian regimes. North Korea also stages mass rallies like this, were people are introduced under strict guideline to the state propaganda. I remember this form of brainwashing from communist rallies in the 80-85, which were extremely similar to the one I attended in Strahov: Enemies (political/spiritual like Satan), better future ahead (classless society/paradise), new goals... etc.
  
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  Growing up gay in North korea

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how do you know you're "gay", if you've never heard of "gay?".

  does something exist if there is no word to describe it?

  consider the experience of jang yeong-jin.. .

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  "1. This can be regarded as normal behavior in East Asian societies (and, probably as non-sexual) for boys and young men to hug, walk hand in hand and be close to each other in ways, that may invite abuse in western (Americanized societies)."

  Having many visits to Italy, this is very common for all southern European countries, and Romania. In Sicily young men walk hand in hand as nothing happens, and it predates Christianity to the time of the Roman Republic.
  

  3. Pressure to marry is very strong in ALL East Asian societies.

  It is still valid? This used to be in the past, but Japan and South Korea have one of the highest population of people who never married nor never dated. Especially educated women there have a less desire to be married in order to end up as unpaid house servant of her in-laws. This issue was well described in WashingtonPost couple years back.
  
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  .org gameplan

  by Lemonp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been thinking about this after all the recent money grabbing done by the org.

  i believe that now it is in a strong position financially, and it may even get better!.

  firstly the congregation bank accounts being emptied out must have supplied millions upon millions of dollars.

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  WT is moving from money creation to wealth preservation. This is normal situation when empire stops expanding, and the needs turns from generating wealth to preserve a wealth. WT knows it hit a limit on expansion in rich countries in Europe, Northern America, and Asia while poor countries see membership growths but it will not offset declining revenues in OECD countries. The leadership is aware of it, and it will try as much to preserve its wealth without burning it. Also the global recession since 2008 cut into money flow, and this may also cause some panic in the accounting department as they see their wealth evaporate by global crisis.
  
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  What's the Watchtower's latest view on "The End" or "The Second Coming of Jesus Christ"? Most act like its not coming!

  by MagicMItchJensen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i posted that article from the miami newspaper, others posted the united kingdom's articles on jws and isis.

  what's the official position of the watchtower about the last days, are we in them or are we going to wait another 2,000 years like the jews believe?.

  i remember arguing at work with friends that nostradamus end date of 3000 was wrong, are there other past prophets you know of who predicted the world's end past our time?.

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  Armageddon is not coming in anyone lifetimes. In 1970's my JW aunt insisted that Armageddon will happen around 1975, she told me that I will never have to go to school, because Jesus is arriving. She died 12-13 years ago without ever set a foot in the New World. My mom told me bitterly last week that she will never see Armageddon and she will die without ever to get into Jesus kingdom. My elder cousins are between age 50 and 60, one is battling cancer, and still hold on hope that new system will fix his illness.
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  How do you distinguish Americans?

  by paulmolark in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igk4xvzwocw.

  apparently americans are all chubby, baggy clothes wearing optimistic fast food eaters.

  who knew.

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  "I'm sure ISIL "freedom fighting" ar$e hole$ are fit as all get out."

  Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, and all of Gulf states have one of the highest obesity rates in the world, probably ahead of USA at this point. Morbid obesity there is also cultural, synonymous with wealth and health since ancient ages. Sultans kept harem of morbidly obese women, and we do not talk about couple pounds overweight. Many of these women were so huge that they could not move. This channeled to the rest of the culture all over Islam. Some countries women are deliberately overeating to become extremely fat. That the region has with one of the highest BMI recorded on level of Samoans. In Mauritania, Mali, Djibouti have one of the highest female obesity in the world, because skinny women are not desirable marriage material. Families prior marriage will keep girls in stall like setting where they would be fed with incredible amount of sugar (from dates and mangoes) and minimize their body movement. After while, they expand into BMI > 35 but often to 40 and more, and they finally became a wedding material.

  European culture with exception of Baroque epoch never had fatties as their cultural icons. Christianity condemned gluttony, and many European leading females suffered with anorexia like Empress Sisi, Marie Antoinette, and Josephine.
  
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  What was your eye opening moment?

  by WasOnceBlind in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if you had to pinpoint the time or experience that finally made you open your eyes, what would it be?.

  i think for me it was the time i saw my dad shun his brother who he had not seen in decades just because he was a da'ed jw.

  i thought to my self "no way jesus would do that.

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  I had doubts, but I grew up in it. My mom got baptized around 1975, but my dad said after yeas of study, that much of the theology in WT does not make sense. He said that WT just invented too much things, but nothing is based on Bible. After couple years of constant pressure from JW relatives, he quit to study and never got baptized.
  

  After my dad's death, I believed that the negative influence on my JW thinking was gone and I was attending like crazy, been on conventions, did field services, etc, but doubt were there. We eventually started to study book Revelation, and I just could not reconcile most the BS in that book with Bible. For example we were talking about pouring of wrath from Rev 16:1 and they said it was some convention in Ohio around 1920. Everyone around me was, awesome - me what BS. I just could not reconcile the book study with what I knew and suddenly came to me that if the material is BS, than the religion is BS. After the book study, I never returned to KH.

  WT believes that their existence is outlined in the dooms prophecy; and the best way to justify a prophesy, is to prophesied the past.
  
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  How do you distinguish Americans?

  by paulmolark in

  1. social
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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igk4xvzwocw.

  apparently americans are all chubby, baggy clothes wearing optimistic fast food eaters.

  who knew.

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  It is difficult not to generalize, but two things are spot on: morbid obesity in every age group, social class, race, and regional area; and fashion: sweatpants, flip/flops, tight clothing revealing every body fold, spandex, and ragged t-shirt. Obesity is increasing world-wide, but sometimes what I see on the streets all over USA I am not sure if that 550 pound ogre is he or she. It is generally worse in the Midwest and Deep South, but the difference is visible between Montreal and Toronto, versus suburbia of New Jersey or Long Island. Canadians are definitely more fit.
  

  Years back I used to work in international corporation and we had middle aged female manager walked into the meeting with our European counterparts in spandex and some weird cheap blouse that you get during X-rays. The Europeans thought that she was a cleaning lady and told her to leave. It was extremely embarrassing. However, if anyone looks into older movies Americans used to be extremely classy, women were looking good, but this had changed around 1960 or so.

  In next 50 years everyone in the world will be obese in sweatpants. I see it in Europe and USA, today Mexicans are more obese than Americans, and so does most of Middle East.
  
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  2 reasons the 'overlapping anointed' idea generates no comfort for the WT writers.

  by prologos in

  1. social
  2. current

  1) the general "wicked generation" has always members that live past 115 years, so without the ridicoulous overlap idea, it would have taken wt writers to 2030 for the start of pardise.. 2) the "all things take place" prophecy recorded in math 23-25 include the entering of the " goats into everlasting cutting off=armageddon; the sheep into everlasting life= paradise".

  therefore: the generation of wt anointed overlappers dying before armageddon to be raptured, is not what jesus said.

  he said the generation will not pass, will survive, be alive , witness the entering into paradise.

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  Maybe the overlapping generation is the wicked generation, generation that never dies, because people are wicked all the time... Thus, generation can mean entire human biogenesis.
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  Bible Chronology, Egyptology and the Great Flood

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  fact: bible chronology says the flood occurred between 2348 and 2370 bce, depending on which scholar you listen to.

  fact: the great pyramid of giza was constructed 200 years before, in c. 2560 bce..

  so, if you believe in a literal interpretation of noah's flood, you believe that the egyptians built a great civilization, were destroyed by the flood in 2370 bce, and then somehow, they reappeared immediately after the flood, picked right back up where they left off without skipping a cultural beat.. oh, and isn't it ironic that legitimately studying the great pyramid of giza debunks jw mythology now?

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  You can also take into consideration of Stonehenge and hundreds of smaller sites across Europe that were built between 2800BC and 1800BC. There was no discontinuity of the culture and population until much later time, which was cased by shift between use of stones and bronze tools. There are thousands sites in Europe from that era. In Czech Republic, there are about 550 of neolithic sites from the time of the biblical deluge. Germany has as five times more, not to mention France, Spain, UK, and elsewhere. Yet, Stonehenge and menhirs are here all over western Europe, but no single evidence of Deluge was ever produced in that time.