Growing up gay in North korea

by fulltimestudent 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    How do you know you're "gay", if you've never heard of "gay?"

    Does something exist if there is no word to describe it? Consider the experience of Jang Yeong-jin.

    Yeong-jin grew up without a word to describe his feelings for other men, but his life is an object lesson in the need for clarity in our self-understanding.

    Here is a quote from a NYT story about the life of Jang Yeong-Jin:

    “In North Korea, no ordinary people conceptually understand what homosexuality is,” said Joo Sung-ha, who attended the elite Kim Il-sung University in Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, in the 1990s and now works as a reporter for the mass-circulation South Korean daily Dong-A Ilbo. “In my university, only half the students may have heard of the word. Even then, it was always treated as some strange, vague mental illness afflicting subhumans, only found in the depraved West."

    - 'North Korean Defector Opens Up About Long-held secret: His Homosexuality.' - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/06/world/asia/north-korea-defector-jang-yeong-jin-gay.html?fb_ref=Default&_r=0


    The NK government maintains that there are no homosexuals in North Korea, where (they maintain) the people have "sound morals."

    However, whether there is a name or not, male to male sexual behaviour may still exist. In his book Yeong-Jin tells how, even as a child, he fell in love with another boy,

    '... even when he developed a crush on another boy named Seon-cheol. They continued their friendship after moving to Pyongyang, where they attended different colleges.“When the subway was crowded, I sat on Seon-cheol’s lap, and he would hug me from behind,” Mr. Jang said. “People didn’t care, thinking we were childhood friends.” ' (Note 1)

    And in the Army (Note 2) Jang notes:

    “In winter, when soldiers were given only two threadbare blankets each and little heat, it was common for us to find a partner and sleep hugging each other at night to keep warm,” Mr. Jang said. “We considered it part of what the party called ‘revolutionary comradeship.’ ”

    and the NYT story states:

    Other North Korean defectors have reported homosexual behavior in the North Korean military, where soldiers serve mandatory 10-year tours with few chances of meeting the opposite sex. ... “There was a lot of sexual abuse, like groping at night,” a former North Korean military officer, Choe Jong-hun, told Chosun TV, a South Korean cable channel, in August. “But we later found ourselves having new recruits lying beside us. ... ”In Mr. Jang’s front-line unit, he said, officers and senior soldiers bribed him with apples and food to lure him into their blankets. After performing nighttime sentry duty in a snowstorm, he said, he would find comfort “in the bosom” of his favorite platoon leader.

    From across the border, propaganda broadcasts from South Korea enticed the cold lonesome Communist soldiers to defect, promising “meat, monthly leave and pretty women.”

    When he married (Note 3) Jang remembers that on his wedding night he could think ONLY of his young friend Seon-Cheol.

    The rest of Jang's story is at: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/06/world/asia/north-korea-defector-jang-yeong-jin-gay.html?fb_ref=Default&_r=0

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    Notes:

    1. This can be regarded as normal behaviour in East Asian societies (and, probably as non-sexual) for boys and young men to hug, walk hand in hand and be close to each other in ways, that may invite abuse in western (Americanised societies).

    2. Male only societies (military,catholic priesthood, prison) are notorious for the development of male to male sexual behaviour. It should be noted that this may not make the participants in such behaviour, "gay" in the sense of 'desire' rather than 'action,' as such participants may revert to heterosexual behaviour when released from the restricted social group. When he married (the societal pressure to marry is very strong in all East Asia societies.

    3. Pressure to marry is very strong in ALL East Asian societies.

    4. In spite of all the taboos, teasing male to male behaviour is very common, and can be noted on South Korean TV. It hints at a different behind-the-scenes behaviour that is different to "official' attitudes.


  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    How sad. I saw a documentary on north Korea and it was clear to me that it was basically just a big cult, people are as mind controlled as the Jehovah's Witnesses.

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    From the article: “There are many homosexuals in North Korea who live a miserable life without even knowing why,” Jang Yeong-jin said. “What a tragedy it is to live a life without knowing who you are.”

    How does the suppression of information and knowledge benefit the world? There is absolutely no point to living a miserable life because of this.

  • kaik
    kaik

    "1. This can be regarded as normal behavior in East Asian societies (and, probably as non-sexual) for boys and young men to hug, walk hand in hand and be close to each other in ways, that may invite abuse in western (Americanized societies)."

    Having many visits to Italy, this is very common for all southern European countries, and Romania. In Sicily young men walk hand in hand as nothing happens, and it predates Christianity to the time of the Roman Republic.

    3. Pressure to marry is very strong in ALL East Asian societies.

    It is still valid? This used to be in the past, but Japan and South Korea have one of the highest population of people who never married nor never dated. Especially educated women there have a less desire to be married in order to end up as unpaid house servant of her in-laws. This issue was well described in WashingtonPost couple years back.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    I agree with Lisa Rose - NK does seem to be like one big cult.

    “In winter, when soldiers were given only two threadbare blankets each and little heat, it was common for us to find a partner and sleep hugging each other at night to keep warm,” Mr. Jang said. “We considered it part of what the party called ‘revolutionary comradeship.’ ” - like WTS, NK twists the meaning of words. 'Revolutionary comradeship' now has the meaning of freezing in winter due to inadequate facilities.

    And officially having zero homosexuals. Don't North Koreans realise how stupid this looks?

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent
    Heaven: How does the suppression of information and knowledge benefit the world?

    It doesn't! But I doubt that is an issue for the NK elite. They, are creating a 'make-believe' world, for the people they rule over. And because there is no other source of information to listen to , the people believe it, even if sometimes reality intrudes.

    Think of our own experience, for whatever reasons (a desire to live in the NW, or perhaps a fervent love for God) we wilfully believed a load of rubbish (other Christians also do that) and ignored the other sources of information we had access to. We lacked the ability to assess and compare the information conflicting ideas. So don't be too hard on the NK people.

    Heaven: There is absolutely no point to living a miserable life because of this.

    I agree--absolutely! But also think of the anti-gay Christians that preach hate and who want to make the lives of gay humans difficult (even miserable) to punish them for not believing the same things they (the anti-gay Christians) believe.

    And think of how conflicting it must be for a young person (girl or boy - and born naturally same sex attracted) raised as a jw. and taught by his loving parents (and who loves his/her parents in return) that he must hate the feelings that are naturally present in his mind/body.



  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent
    kaik: Having many visits to Italy, this is very common for all southern European countries, and Romania. In Sicily young men walk hand in hand as nothing happens, and it predates Christianity to the time of the Roman Republic.

    Thnx kaik, for sharing that item of information. So it may be that male/male intimacy (in the sense of 'touch') may be more natural than the artificial rules imposed by some Christians, in our anglosphere culture.

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