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  YOUR FAMILY FACES DEATH IF YOU BEAR GODS NAME

  by nightwarrior in

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  in the last days .

  a people will claim to bear jehovahs name ( wonder whom they are ) ????????????

  do you know any one whom claims to use the name jehovah ??????????????????????????

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  rebel

  Nighwarrior,

  Does the scripture you are referring to mean we just have to separate ourselves from all false religion, because to be honest, it isn't just the JWs who have it wrong. There are lots of other cults etc out there who do bad things and hide behind the Bible. I also wonder about the name Jehovah - is it really so important to be using God's name? Some say it should be pronounced Yahweh but then, we don't know the correct way to pronounce Jesus either. I think the important thing is to separate yourself from any organisation that says it has God's blessing but which then goes on to destroy lives, tells lies, twists scripture, encourages unkind & cruel practices (ie shunning), and also tries to control people's thoughts. It is more important to be a decent, loving human being than to be making God's name known to everyone on earth. I think the best way to attract people to the Bible is by your conduct and example. Actions do speak louder than words and, personally, I am drawn to people who are warm, kind, loving, non-judgemental and honest. I don't care what their religion is.

  Someone on this forum once said that God's sheep are scattered over all the earth, but he knows who they are and where they are and, when the time is right, he will gather them to him. I think that is lovely. I am really starting to understand scriptures for the first time in my life.

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  Where is help for old ones/Battered wives etc.

  by lulu in

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  there have been many articles from the wt regarding their position on looking after our aged ones and the abused wives and children.

  where are the houses of refuge for these ones plus retirement homes?

  most other religions have them.i.e.

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  Hi Lulu,

  The reason the society does diddly for old ones, battered wives etc. is because they cannot waste their precious time and resources on such unimportant issues. The only way to really help people is to tell them about the kingdon and the new system when they will no longer feel abandoned, battered etc. If they are being beaten to a pulp every day, that's not too hard to bear when compared to the glorious new system. Surely a battered wife can cope with a few punches - the new system may be here in 5, 10, 15 or 20 years - maybe more. But surely, the prospect of living forever in a paradise earth is worth all the misery and pain they are suffering now. They may even enter the new system with the very partner who is using them as a punch-bag - what a blessing! As for old people - what are they complaining about? Don't they realise they will be young again VERY SOON - skipping about like mountain goats!

  And to think I swallowed all of this once - yuk!

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  Funniest/Most outrageous/Most Shocking/ thing...

  by Happy in

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  i was just wondering what was the most astounding thing you guys have had a jw say to you.

  whether it was while you were still in the borg or after you left.

  i've heard some rather funny stories on this subject.

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  Marcos,

  I too was told I would have been stoned to death had I lived in ancient times - doesn't a remark like that give you a warm feeling inside!!

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  Lurkers

  by Yizuman in

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  seems that the page view out number the posters who actually reply to the thread.. my guess is that there's alot of active jws who are still active within' the so called "truth" are visiting this forum and reading all the threads.

  i don't blame them for not wanting to reply for fear of being found out.. how many of you were still active when you found a forum like this one and lurked around for a long time?

  how many of you left the organization as a result of reading this forum or other forums like it?.

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  Someone mentioned on this board before that the 'FDS' are presumptious for thinking they are God's chosen spokespeople. When I think about it, it is blasphemous. Think about it - the old prophets of the OT told the truth as they received it from God. They were responsible and accountable for what they said. How on earth can the 'FDS' compare themselves with these ones? How dare they call themselves 'The Ezekiel', 'The Jeremiah', 'The John Class' - who do these people think they are? Ezekiel, Jeremiah and John did not make erroneous predictions and phrophesy falsely. The GB say they are NOT inspired - so how can uninspired men compare themselves to inspired men? Inspired men were given signs that they had God's approval. They were accoutable for ALL they preached and foretold. They had to weigh each announcement to see if it was God's will. Remember what Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says about false prophets!

  Also, the early Christians did not have progressive light - they were taught by the apostles and believed them to be giving accurate information because it was accurate, They did not feel that their knowledge was being held back or restricted by these inspired men so that, in the future, it could be understood by uninspired men! How stupid is that? To say that the light gets brighter implies that the early Christians were in the dark - they weren't!

  Plus - I hated the name 'Jehovah's Witness' - what is wrong with being called a Christian - it was good enough for Jesus' followers in the first century and onwards until the 20th century, so it is good enough for me.

  Just had to get that off my chest.

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  Investigating the Society

  by Blueblades in

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  in my research i came across this topic "investigating the society"which asked six questions, before you joined the society.

  i answered no to all of them.i'm interested in what your answers are if you care to express them.i posted my answers below.. question #1:how did you investigate the watchtower society before you joined it?did you read books both for and against the society to help you judge it accurately?no!.

  question #2:had you read the bible in its entirety?no!.

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  "And no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish." - Rev 14:5

  Well Nickey, I don't know how this scripture can possibly apply to a group of people that have lied again and again. Funny, isn't it? I never understood it either.

  xxR
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  What is it with knocking on doors?

  by PierreDelEclin in

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  not to be rude, but why is it you all knock on people's doors?

  don't find that annoying?

  would you like it if satanists or muslims knocked on your door trying to convert you?

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  I admit I did it - because I was told to - otherwise I would die at Armageddon and so would all the poor people I didn't bother to call on - and it would be ALL MY FAULT!

  Well - that's why I did it anyway - anyone else?

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  A LETTER FROM THE BETHEL.

  by nightwarrior in

  1. jw
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  are elders accountable to jehovah for stumbling.

  be carefull.

  came the reply,from the bethel after i had been victimized by the body of elders from my old congregation ,there was a congregational war going on within the congregation ,because i knew of the bent buisness dealings of the presiding overseer ,he then had the body of elders all except one of the elders whom had a verbal stand up fight for me ,wherby the elders familys & congregation ostracize my family as the presiding overseer used the platform to exact vengance against me,& they completed an inquisition against me,trying to dissfellowship me & shut me up permanantly because i new & saw to much concerning his bent & corrupt dealings in second hand cars.. joe little of ( st mildreds garage catford brownhill road catford london se13 ) therfore dont any one of you buy a second hand vehicle from him as it may end up with chassis numbers, ground out or it may be write of or damaged repaired) .

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  Nightwarrior,

  I could have sworn I replied to this thread. I told you (somebody?) about an elder I know who is so bent, he makes Arthur Daley and Delboy Trotter look like saints. I must have written it on another thread - I think I'm losing my marbles. Anyway, the other elders knew what he was up to - I know this because one of them told me when I queried some of his dealings which hurt a couple of sisters in the congregation. Nothing was done about him and he is still serving as an elder. That is one of the reasons why I had to break free from all this bilge - what he did (plus the cover-up) really makes me sick to the stomach! Why is it one law for them and another for us?

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  Investigating the Society

  by Blueblades in

  1. jw
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  in my research i came across this topic "investigating the society"which asked six questions, before you joined the society.

  i answered no to all of them.i'm interested in what your answers are if you care to express them.i posted my answers below.. question #1:how did you investigate the watchtower society before you joined it?did you read books both for and against the society to help you judge it accurately?no!.

  question #2:had you read the bible in its entirety?no!.

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  Blueblades - I gave the same answers as you. I am really annoyed with myself now. I used to be so careful. I suppose what they said sounded so wonderful, I didn't think for one minute that the society could be lying.

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  Best argument against a Jehovah's Witness?

  by Happy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  don't get me wrong, i'm not one to actively persecute jw's, i'm just wondering what you guys think is the best agrument/point to use when a pesky brother or sister just won't leave you alone.

  normally, i am willing to listen to their drivel out of respect (even though i have no respect for the wt) but there are times when i am not in the mood to hear them babble.

  i normally bring up the 1914 generation point, and it normally works.

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  I spoke to an elder the other day and mentioned the disfellowshipping/shunning belief. I asked about the parable of the prodigal son - somebody on this forum mentioned that the son's father did not ignore his son for months or years until he 'reinstated' him - he went to him and hugged & kissed him-he was so overjoyed at his return. Jesus gave that parable for a reason - he wanted us to know how to treat those that have sinned and are then repentant. He said I should not use that parable in connection with disfellowshipping???? I said that, if someone sinned and Jehovah forgave that person the following day, it could take months or weeks for the body of elders to reinstate that person. Does that mean that elders are more righteous than Jehovah and know when a person is truly repentant and Jehovah doesn't? He just got angry and left!!

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  The Next Teaching to Fall

  by Blueblades in

  1. jw
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  while many have had their hopes dashed concerning the change on this "generation " teaching, there is yet another teaching yet to fall very soon.it must and will fall because it connected to the generation doctrine that has already been changed.. the teaching that could shortly cause the governing body a serious problem and could bring about a major change for the vast majority of the rank and file is "the great tribulation".while this teaching has been put off to the " indefinite future"the gb.continues to have a serious problem with it.if the great tribulation fails to occur reasonably soon,the doctrine concerning the earthly hope for the vast majority of jw's.will have proven to have been false.the' great crowd' are those who will have come out of the great tribulation.according to the society those persons began to be identified as present as early as 1932.so the youngest members are now in their 70's or 80's.. again, the time-line is running out!

  and has the potential of adversely affecting hundreds of thousands of other witnesses in the not to distant future,as time passes without the fulfilment of their hopes for a new heavens and a new earth.. also, some time ago,there was a watchtower study article, i don't remember which one it was .it spiritualized, armageddon!

  psalm 91,especially verse 7.it said that a thousand will fall at your very side and ten thousand at your right hand,applies to those leaving the org.

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  This is really interesting.

  Island Woman said recently on this forum that we should do a study comparing Matthew 24 with Luke 21 and Luke 17. I am going to do that this evening. Apparently, Luke's account does not contain the same sense of urgency as Matthew and I want to look into this for myself.....should keep me busy!

  xxR