for those who have been out for a while, was there anything special about the very last meeting you attended (excluding memorials)?
was there anything incredibly memorable about it?
last meeting I attended 2 elders hit on me. I had already been 'transitioning' for a year. guess they could 'smell' it. other than that it was an incredible sense of 'I am SO done with this $h!t' wow...the headiness of freedom--maybe I should recall that last time more often--still gives me rush of power and satisfaction and the hope of a whole new life ahead of me.
Ravyn
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was there anything in particular that drove you nuts at the kingdom hall ??
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when I moved to California and all of a sudden it became a Keenum Hall. And they said I talked funny!
Ravyn
most europeans have more than a little difficulty in telling a us accent apart from that of a canadian one.
it's a bit like ozzies and kiwi's, until you've met a few, the differences aren't that apparent to the untrained ear.
some folk even think that the us and canada are simply interchangeable terms for what is basically the same place.
I have no criminal records of anykind, and I work for the gov.
JH isn't that an oxymoron?
Ravyn
i would like to know if anyone here ever tested the water when it came to dabbling in spiritism and then were "bothered" by demons later on.
the wts would write articles about how using ouija boards would be asking for trouble.
any true stories you can share?
ok this is the last one for tonight--I promise!
if you want to try divination try a pendulum first. I use a necklace I have that is a continuous chain and a pendant in a celtic design, made from pewter. But you could use anything from a sewing needle suspended on a red thread(old wive's tale) to one of the fancy shmancy store bought pendulums made of semi-precious gems. Anything hanging on a thread or cord or chain will do with a button or coin or pendant heavy enough to weigh it down. Determine which direction is YES and which is NO. I usually go for back and forth is NO and circles is YES. Sometimes I do side to side is MAYBE or DONT ASK.
Now hold it in your hand until it gets warm. then suspend it over your left palm with your right hand, making it still. ask a YES question you know the answer to. see which way it swings. ask a NO question you know the answer to. note if it swings in a different way. If you get it to swing in two different ways then you have 'programmed' it and you are ready to ask it questions you don't know the answer to.
wait for it to move, sometimes this can take a few minutes. Maybe brace your elbow on a table. Use opposite hands if you are left handed. this works. of course it is only a 50/50 deal. But you can feel the movement and it is handy to get used to the idea of divining.
Ravyn
i would like to know if anyone here ever tested the water when it came to dabbling in spiritism and then were "bothered" by demons later on.
the wts would write articles about how using ouija boards would be asking for trouble.
any true stories you can share?
ok this deserves a longer answer. Tarot cards are very Jungian, they represent every stage of life that every human goes thru and they can be like a meditative self help book. It is your energies that determine the answers the cards give according to your interpretation...that is a going INSIDE yourself-shamanistically. But you can also go OUTSIDE yourself with the cards and ask for advice from energies other than your own. With a Ouija board, it is all OUTSIDE energies. This freaks some people. Many witches will tell you not to mess with a ouija. However, you have control over it just like if you called someone on the phone. You can always hang up if it gets uncomfortable. I get mixed messages from a ouija---so far nothing useful. However I get specific and useful information from the tarot cards. I dont use a planchette---my cats keep whacking it off the board and losing it---so I use an upside down shot glass. There is definitely a 'pull' or 'push' to it. I will touch it so lightly with even just one finger that there is no way I am moving it by myself. But it takes a while and concentrated focus to even get that far. I have a visualization I use and I also lay out three tarot cards in a spell for protection and clarity above my board. I have my board framed in a glass frame with the cards above it and I hang it on the wall when I am not using it. It is many colors and very pretty...circular--looks like an aztec disk. I also close my eyes while I do it and do not anticipate any response, so I dont influence it. When the shot glass is ready to stop on a certain letter or number or symbol it trembles and gets suddenly very heavy as if I could not move it. Then I open my eyes and read it.
Are they portals? in my opinion yes. are they something to fear? in my opinion no. I realize that those who do not believe in the spirit world think this is nonsense, and that is ok with me. I only believe for myself now.
Ravyn
i would like to know if anyone here ever tested the water when it came to dabbling in spiritism and then were "bothered" by demons later on.
the wts would write articles about how using ouija boards would be asking for trouble.
any true stories you can share?
I read tarot cards, I have a Spirit Board--like a ouija but prettier colors--and I channel. Only 'demon' problems I ever had were when I was a JW and did not do any of those things. I actively practice witchcraft, including spells and magick. take out the sensationalism and you got just another spirituality that is indigenous to most groups of people on earth.
of course the JWs would say the reason I have no problem with demons now is because they already 'got me'....doncha know? only JWs are attacked by demons out of spite and jealousy to break their faith and turn them away from the truth....
Ravyn, of the appearing as an angel of light class
i need to vent, and what better place to vent?.
i can not get over the fact that my well-adjusted life, where i am happy, and to me, doing the right things, will always be seen as immoral by my family members and former friends.
the recent email exchange (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/56683/1.ashx <---yay drama) between myself and an ex best friend just makes these feelings come rushing back.
BERYLBLUE! the ONLY thing immoral is to live without true, unconditional love. Now tell us again how you are living 'immorally'? Shame on you for even thinking that you are capable of immorality!
And JWBot, everyone has already said how much they can empathize, and so can I. But things get better. And what would you go back to? Friends who would stab you in the back again if you were true to yourself and left again? The family settles down eventually, and if not, then the hurt does. But by all means--get out more! Make new friends offline! Take a class, go to the library and volunteer to read to children or older folks. DO something and get out there. It is a big wide WONDERFUL world out there and it is all on your plate now! The number one thing you can do to get any of your loved ones out of the BORG is to prove to them how happy you are out of it. Not gnashing your teeth or regretting leaving. It will be ok. Really.
Ravyn
as some of you know i have been have a few health problems lately.. i went to the doctor today to pick up my application for a handicapped parking permit.
when we talked he said he would sign it for a year.. well he signed it as "permanent disability".
in one way this is good because if they don't figure out the problem and find a solution i won't have to keep applying for it.
Dear Lady Lee,
we can light candles for each other ok?
I understand. I gave up my first wheelchair when I left the JWs. I vowed I would never again be back in a 'chair. Well here I am. I understand exactly. Email if you ever need to.
Look at the bright side----if I come up for a visit to Canada I won't have to bring my own parking permit, and if you come down here to Virginia you can leave yours home too.
Lotsaluv
Ravyn
i was wondering how many men here let their beard grow, when they decided to quit the organization.
since having a beard in the jw's is not permitted, it would seem appropriate to let one's beard grow just to show that we don't go by their rules anymore.
maybe for others it was growing a mustache or maybe shaving their head.. did you change your "look" right after leaving the organization?.
back in the 1960's beards became status symbols of rebellion against the clean-cut 1950's. It was even suggested in the literature of the Borg of the day that having a beard or mustache was indicative of homosexuality---and we all know how horrible that is!
(how do you spell the sound of disgust? phhhhttttffffppppttt)
when I left I lost 100 pounds, started wearing nice clothes, got a perm, a real salon hairstyle, did my makeup like Vogue and went dancing every night. I also smiled alot which completely changed my whole face. Later on I got a tattoo, one I designed and not one that is publically visible unless I want it to be. But I had double pierced ears before I left. And I was always in trouble for wearing blue or green nail polish, funny but since I left I rarely wear nail polish(no sense if I dont have nails...)
I just turned 41 and I am feeling the crone. I am NOT happy about it either, but one thing I can do as an older lady that I could not get away with as a younger one....I am going to color rinse my hair...you know...dark blue or green or purple...hell if I have to be half gray I might as well go rainbow! I really want a dark dark emerald green...it would so go with my eyes....and I have been dyeing it back to black for so long now I didn't realize how gray I really am!
Ravyn
i love him.... but he goofed big...and i am soooo p.
we went shopping for groceries last night.... brought the sacks in..... put away everything but the canned goods, due to more pressing matters.... this morning, he took the trash off to work with him....to put in the dumpster where he works...bless his little heart.... problem?.
that wasnt trash, it was our groceries!!!!!.
run that reminded me--the other day lee and I were arguing at the grocery store about something and he said 'you only think of me as a paycheck!' so I fired right back 'no, actually you are a pretty good lay too.' the lady on the other side of us dropped her can of peas and Lee started laughing--argument over!
Ravyn
