Cygnus! This is norski58. Glad to hear you are getting better healthwise. Sorry to hear about the marriage breakup, I know its not easy. Hope everything works out better for you.
take care Dude
BudLight
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for those who know me on Yahoo (cygnustsp)
by Cygnus indue to some very unfortunate circumstances which i won't get into here, i have deleted my yahoo messenger accounts (cygnustsp and cygnuspcp).
so those of you who know me there, and wish to stay in contact, please im me at aol -- cygnus97 -- or email me at [email protected].. i have not posted in quite some time.
i would like folks who care to know that my health is pretty good.
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*** w52 2/1 79-83 Jehovah's Theocratic Organizatio
by BudLight ini would like some comments on the following article.
do you see any false statements made by the wts in this article?.
*** w52 2/1 79-83 jehovah's theocratic organization today ***
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BudLight
Thanks for the help! I might be back for more.
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*** w52 2/1 79-83 Jehovah's Theocratic Organizatio
by BudLight ini would like some comments on the following article.
do you see any false statements made by the wts in this article?.
*** w52 2/1 79-83 jehovah's theocratic organization today ***
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I would like some comments on the following article. Do you see any false statements made by the WTS in this article?
*** w52 2/1 79-83 Jehovah's Theocratic Organization Today ***
POINTS TO APPRECIATE10
Jehovah God deals with his people as a servant class. He does not feed each one individually nor does he appoint an individual over them. No individual student of Gods Word reveals Gods will or interprets His Word. (2 Pet. 1:20, 21) God interprets and teaches, through Christ the Chief Servant, who in turn uses the discreet slave as the visible channel, the visible theocratic organization. David approached God through the priestly organization represented by Abiathar, who had the ephod; and a servant of today must likewise look to Gods visible organization for spiritual food that is timely and for directions in Kingdom service. (1 Sam. 23:6, 9-11; 30:7, 8) Just as is shown in the illustration of the talents where different amounts were committed to different individual slaves on the basis of their abilities, so the domestics are assigned service privileges on the basis of their abilities and devotion and readiness to submit and conform to the leadings of the holy spirit. Jehovah through Christ sets the domestics in their service positions in the discreet-slave body.-1 Cor. 12:18.
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We must show our understanding in these matters, appreciating our relationship to the visible theocratic organization, remembering the fate of those like Korah and Achan and Saul and Uzziah and others who forgot the theocratic order. Are we assigned as individuals to bring forth the food for the spiritual table? No? Then let us not try to take over the slaves duties. We should eat and digest and assimilate what is set before us, without shying away from parts of the food because it may not suit the fancy of our mental taste. The truths we are to publish are the ones provided through the discreet-slave organization, not some personal opinions contrary to what the slave has provided as timely food. Jehovah and Christ direct and correct the slave as needed, not we as individuals. If we do not see a point at first we should keep trying to grasp it, rather than opposing and rejecting it and presumptuously taking the position that we are more likely to be right than the discreet slave. We should meekly go along with the Lords theocratic organization and wait for further clarification, rather than balk at the first mention of a thought unpalatable to us and proceed to quibble and mouth our criticisms and opinions as though they were worth more than the slaves provision of spiritual food. Theocratic ones will appreciate the Lords visible organization and not be so foolish as to pit against Jehovahs channel their own human reasoning and sentiment and personal feelings.
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Now some may ask, Should we accept as from the Lord and true the food provided through the discreet slave, or should we withhold acceptance until we have proved it for ourselves? If we have gained our present understanding of the Bible by feeding at the table set by the slave, if we have been thereby freed from false doctrines and built up in the clean and undefiled worship of God and given a new world hope, we should have some confidence in the slaves provisions. After being nourished to our present spiritual strength and maturity, do we suddenly become smarter than our former provider and forsake the enlightening guidance of the organization that mothered us? "Forsake not the law of thy mother." (Prov. 6:20-23) And if the heavenly Father would not give a stone or serpent or scorpion to a child who asked for bread or fish or an egg from him, are we to take the spiritual food he provides through the slave into our hands as if we were going to be bruised by a stone or bitten by a serpent or stung by a scorpion? (Matt. 7:7-11; Luke 11:9-13, NW) Are we to be doubtful and suspicious about each new provision? "He who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and blown about. In fact, let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from Jehovah." (Jas. 1:6, 7, NW) Even the Beroeans first received Pauls preaching "with the greatest readiness of mind", and then went to "carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so". (Acts 17:11, NW) This was the first real contact the Beroeans had with Pauls preaching, yet they received it readily and then studied the Scriptural support for themselves. How much more readily we can receive the slaves provisions with confidence, since, unlike the Beroeans, we have much past experience with the precious provisions from the slave. After receiving these food supplies we prove their Scripturalness for ourselves to make the message our own, in a spirit of meekness and trustfulness and not combativeness.
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There are some who seem to dote on speculations. They love to be the talking center of little groups, voicing their theories on how or when this or that is going to happen. They may not be deliberately rebellious about what the slave provides, but if they can offer only what the slave has already supplied they do not stand out. How can they shine personally if they merely reflect what all others of Jehovahs witnesses are reflecting? So they seek for something more sensational, for some "new light" to dazzle unwary listeners. As they feed the open-mouthed listeners their line of new theories, the listeners by their rapt attention feed the ego of the speculators. When someone else begins to do the talking and occupies the spotlight, the speculator loses interest in the conversing group and drifts on. These speculating ones may acknowledge that some of their past theories were wrong, but they do not show they have learned the lesson from these mistakes by refraining from bringing forth new theories. Their longing to be viewed as an independent and deep thinker is stronger than their desire to be theocratic.
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Some of the speculating ones are more rebellious than others, disagreeing dogmatically with the discreet slaves provisions, exalting themselves above the Lords established channel. They argue that the theocratic organization has not always been right, and that they once had ideas the organization rejected but now teaches, and thus imply that their present theories will likewise be accepted in time. They never mention the numerous speculations they have advanced in the past that were never adopted. That would spoil their campaign to get their present ideas gobbled up. What their conceit blinds them to is that the visible theocratic organization has never claimed infallibility, that it knows the message will be continually purified by the elimination of erroneous ideas, that it expects new truths to become manifest as more prophecies are fulfilled, that gradually the light will shine more and more until the perfect day, and that the clarifications will come through the discreet slave and not self-exalting speculators. (Prov. 4:18; Isa. 6:5-7; Mal. 3:1-3) It is a continuous process, for the slave is "to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time". (Luke 12:42, NW) Doubtless some do have ideas that are not published until later; to do so earlier may have been premature, may not have been "at the proper time". Wait upon the Lord.
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But whether they speculate rebelliously or only thoughtlessly, they can do harm. They place themselves within the danger of becoming puffed up with a feeling of importance, or they may stumble weak ones in the faith. They can hinder oneness of mind and prevent everyones seeing in harmony. They draw attention to the creature rather than to the Creator and his visible organization. Their unfounded speculations may spread, raise questions and doubts, and jeopardize unity of action. Theocratic persons will shun speculations and speculators. They will drink deeply of the truth waters, not muddying them with inflated personal opinions and speculations. By all drinking the same water of truth, all will see in harmony, work shoulder to shoulder, and march into the new world side by side, all keeping in step with the "faithful and discreet slave". Those who speculate and concoct their own pet theories and set a little spiritual table of their own, or who sit at the Lords table but supply little side dishes of their own, and try to get others to taste of them, they are the ones out of step with the theocratic organization, though in their blind conceit they think the slave and the domestics and the other sheep are out of step.
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The slave and the domestics and the other sheep are in step with one another and with God and Christ. They are not out of step and they should not even consider changing to get in step with a sprinkling of self-exalted ones who overlook the Scriptural counsel on these matters. "If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, he is puffed up with pride, not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words. From these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions, violent disputes about trifles on the part of men corrupted in mind and despoiled of the truth." "Guard what is laid up in trust with you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called knowledge. For making a show of such knowledge some have deviated from the faith." "Keep holding the pattern of healthful words which you heard from me with the faith and love that are in connection with Christ Jesus." "Keep reminding them of these things, charging them before God as witness, not to fight about words, a thing of no usefulness at all because it overturns those listening. But shun empty speeches that violate what is holy; for they will advance to more and more ungodliness, and their word will spread like gangrene." "They are subverting the faith of some." "Turn down foolish and speculative questionings, knowing they produce fights." "Keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching which you have learned, and avoid them."-Rom. 16:17; 1 Tim. 1:4, 7; 6:3-5, 20, 21; 2 Tim. 1:13; 2:14, 16-19, 23-26; Titus 3:9-11, NW.
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Many in Christendom will angrily say Jehovahs witnesses take too much on themselves. That is what Korah protested to Moses. (Num. 16:3) Yet the facts show Jehovahs witnesses are the ones preaching of the Kingdoms establishment, and warning all nations of Armageddons approach. Their organization is run theocratically, and it brings forth the spiritual food that is timely. What orthodox religious organization in Christendom provides new spiritual food for these critical times? Are not the fundamentalists still offering the same dry husks, still prattling the same centuries-old creeds, and monotonously repeating again and again their few basic doctrines borrowed from paganism? Truly, "their religion is a mockery, a mere tradition learned by rote." (Isa. 29:13, Mo) The modernist churches have brought forth new teachings to fit the times, but their new offerings are not fit for gospel-preaching. Instead, they scuttle the Bible, dismissing it as myth and legend, at best only good literature, and offer science and evolution, psychology and psychiatry, in an endeavor to be popular with a materialistic civilization. God bluntly says Christendoms "tables are full of vomit". Among them spiritual famine reigns supreme. What a contrast between the condition of their followers and that of Jehovahs witnesses!-Isa. 28:8; 65:13-15; Jer. 2:13; Amos 8:11, 12.
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In substituting ancient paganisms or modern philosophies for the truths contained in the Bible, Christendoms religions match backsliding Israel who professed to be Jehovahs people: "The ox knows its owner, and the ass its masters crib; but Israel does not know, my people shows no understanding." (Isa. 1:3, AT) They put themselves in position for stinging condemnation, which they cry out against as intolerant. But does not God himself here say they have less sense than the ox and the ass? His Word calls them "dumb dogs" and "greedy dogs". Christ Jesus called them fools and liars and sons of the Devil. Sarcasm and mockery and derision are used against the false religionists. Note Jobs words to some of such: "How you have helped him that was powerless, and saved the arm that was not strong! How you have counselled him that was without wisdom, and abundantly made known sound wisdom!" For another example of mocking irony, consider Elijahs words to false worshipers when their god failed to respond after hours of coaxing: "Cry aloud; for he is a god: either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is on a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth and must be awaked." (1 Ki. 18:21-28, AS; Job 12:2, 7, 8; 26:2, 3, AT; Isa. 56:10, 11; Matt. 23:17; John 8:44) This should give pause to those who heatedly rail against Jehovahs witnesses because they speak plainly about false religions. To condemn such plain speech they must also condemn the Bible and God himself!
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All of the foregoing clearly proves that Christians cannot join interfaith movements. No more so than Abel could with Cain, or Israel could with Egypt or with the Canaanites, or Jesus could with the scribes and Pharisees and Sadducees, or early Christians could with Constantines fusion of paganism and apostate Christianity. For a Christian to enter the interfaith fold would mean he must tolerate pagan teachings under a Christian label, tolerate the tenet of a three-in-one God, tolerate claims that God fiendishly tortures souls in fiery lakes, tolerate the blasphemy that for money God will release suffering souls from a flaming purgatory, tolerate bingo gambling, tolerate the view that Jesus was not Messiah but an impostor, tolerate the devilish doctrine of evolution, tolerate clerical hypocrisy and political meddling, tolerate religious warmongering and chaplain-blessing of Christian killing Christian-and so on and on would flow an endless stream of blasphemies that the Christian would have to tolerate in silence. He would have to wink at sin, shut eyes to wrong, plug ears to blasphemy, make his tongue dumb to silently tolerate evil. Fearing to offend men by word or deed, he would offend God by tolerating in the name of tolerance every satanic snare that came his way. He would be too unfit and dirty for Jehovahs service, the proverb becoming true of him: "The dog has turned back to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire." To return to the filth of this world after being separated and cleansed from it would make us unfit subjects for any further mercy from Jehovah. (Heb. 10:26; 2 Pet. 2:20-22; Rev. 18:4, NW) So by Jehovahs undeserved kindness let us appreciate and stick with the visible theocratic organization he has set up in our day.
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What did you do?
by StiLLinTruth into all those who have in some way left the organization (be it disfellowshipping, disassociating, dis-whatever):.
come now, i know the amount of people who "realized that wt doctrine was in serious error" and politely handed in their letter of resignation has to be very small.
the level of bitterness and hostility towards the closest-to-what's-biblical organization has to develop some other way.. what did you do?
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What is that supposed to mean?
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Where'd the Written Review Go?
by metatron inprediction: the organization will have to become dumber,.
crazier and more cruel to survive..
confirmation?
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BudLight
sounds logical Cygnus
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Things JWs don't say
by WildTurkey inlets post somethings as a dub you dont say:.
luck, you dont say party, its a get together.
you dont go to church, its a hall
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BudLight
At the door to householder:
If you don't become and witness you will die at armageddon.
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Wrong ASSumptions from apostates
by bomatt6 inthe apostates here have so many wrong assumptions.
anyone that posts against them they assume is defending the society.. i'm neutral towards the society.
i don't defend it nor do i attack it.
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Ah, he just hasn't been around long enough to figure it out yet.
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OBEY THE WATCHTOWER ORGANIZATION OR DIE!
by UnDisfellowshipped inpage 103:.
page 64:.
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BudLight
New Sense. Here is some french for you. Prenez-vous principal hors de votre propre ne. Vous juste pourriez apprendre quelque chose!
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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...
by hawkaw inas of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
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BudLight
I loved those quotes Klaus!!!!!!
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How to get personal file from WT???
by izobcenec ini would like to know, if it is possible, for someone, who leaves jw's (or is df) to get his personal file, stored in kingdom .
hall and in bethel...i mean the judical commitee hearing notes, s77 form (or a copy of it), publisher record card and all.
other documents...what kind of request must one do an to whom?
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BudLight
I would sure as heck like to get a hold of mine too. I wonder what kind of crap they got on all the notes they have on me.