i've picked up a little about each of us on the db, but we're a reclusive little group, aren't we?.
well, my picture won't be going up any time soon, but i'll put out some personal information and hopefully others will too.
makes chatting more fun, don't you think?.
WOW! This is so cool! I already have a mental image of all these animals -- not that I fixate on animals or anything.
However, I have a white, 110 German Shepherd named Blue and 3 little dauchshunds, Stumpy, Ginger and Bonnie Bonita Nina. My cats really aren't worth talking about because they're really lacking in the personality department.
since the wt organization claims "apostolic succession" who was it that passed the torch of gods spirit to c.t.russel when he founded the.
organization?
what denomination or faith?
Being raised a Catholic, I've got a clue. We were taught Peter (Saint) was the first, then a couple of men - then the Popes started.
Best of recollection - Society doesn't try to go that far back to claim anointing. They do, however, point to individuals or small groups during middle ages, such as Jacobeans, etc. who really tried, even in the face of death to keep God's Bible alive. And they succeeded, from what I've learned from Watchtower articles.
Now, it gets interesting with Russell, because he got quite a few of his ideas from Barbour and the Millerites, and Adventists, astrology, occult, Masons (Cross & Crown emblem) and study of pyramids. I don't believe that the Society counts these groups in their apostolic succession argument, do you?
Why they count Russell is becoming hazy light to me. In fact, a recent article with a BIG picture of Russell in it, said he had hazy light and quoted 1 Cor. 13:12, "For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror.." I did notice that this scripture does not say "hazy light" but "hazy mirror."
This also would lead the reader to believe that the apostles were hazy also. But please read 1 Cor. 13, 1-14, I don't believe the writer was referring to hazy, changing, light. He was referring, always, to gifts and maturity - not changes in fundamental doctrines.
Even though the apostles and Christians didn't understand everything, to my knowledge, they didn't look to God, the stars and pyramids, etc. for their answers. I believe that's what the pagans did.
in the supreme court of the united states, october tenth, 1988, case no.
88-1374, filed on june 22, 1988, clerk joseph f. spanol, jr.. on that date and file number, the attoreny james m. mccabe,and donald t. ridley, 25 colombia heights, brooklyn, ny 11251 (718)606-4993, attorneys for amicus curiae, watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. filed a "friends of the court" brief on the behalf of the famous preacher, jimmy swaggart and his ministries.. why would the watchtower society, direct channel for jehovah's holy spirt, which also godly hates babylon the great, which also christiandom is the largest part, go into the supreme court of the united states and file a legal brief to help jimmy swaggart's ministries in his trial which was case no.
88-1374: jimmy swaggart ministries, appelant vs. board of equalization of california, appeller?.
When I first started on web, I saw this issue mentioned and said to myself, "I don't believe this until I see the actual documents - those apostates will lie about anything (I'm such a JW).
A scanned copy of the actual court documents I was quoting from can be found at:
http://www.ultranet.com/~comments/swaggart.html
I do think the Society should let us have "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" in the thinking behind this issue. I agree fully, the Society did nothing illegal or underhanded in the area of legalities.
But I feel it's immoral to lend your support to another Church in the matter of money and underhanded to tell your followers for decades not to do the incredibly number of things that "we can't.....
I did not mean to offend Waystation - however, the beauty of this site is that, not that we can offend at a moment's wish - but we can speak at equals - in a civil way. And, Lord, being a JW woman from the South USA - that is a new experience!
okay, i'm interested in what everybody thinks on this.
i believe that for the most parts all religions start off with a good motive, i.e., to provide a forum that will help people to serve god.
(basically).
Hey, guys....
A long time ago, I tried to read the Bible, but it was such a chore - and there were so many kids to take care of and anti-depressants to take, etc.
The Society told me in their writings that Yes, indeed, I should read my Bible but that it would be much easier and safer for me if they did the actual research and just told me what scriptures to reference - and I should read these scriptures in the Bible that they had written. It was the best translation - they told me so.
So, I read their Watchtowers, explaining their scriptures found in their Bible - and I was convinced of their rightness. And they told me never to listen to anyone who spoke against Jehovah, Jesus, and the Watchtower. And I did just that - even getting terribly bored when confronted with apostate material (no interest in looking - this really happened to me).
And then a situation arrived where I was forced, in my opinion, to see if anyone, any where, could explain the situation I found myself. And I found the web - and as they say, the rest is history.
We all need the freedom to do our own research, our own thinking, agreeing, disagreeing, worship, living. Why, heck, most of us older ones fought for freedom when young - either military or hippies - same difference.
dear brothers and sisters,.
can someone please tell me if they know any employer desperately looking to hire?.
i'm looking to work down south as i can't take the winters here anymore.
Spectrum,
Dork! You missed the point! You're supposed to visit the South IN the winter, not before the winter......
That's why it's called the Sunbelt! Come any time and sweat with us.
i've picked up a little about each of us on the db, but we're a reclusive little group, aren't we?.
well, my picture won't be going up any time soon, but i'll put out some personal information and hopefully others will too.
makes chatting more fun, don't you think?.
I've picked up a little about each of us on the DB, but we're a reclusive little group, aren't we?
Well, my picture won't be going up any time soon, but I'll put out some personal information and hopefully others will too. Makes chatting more fun, don't you think?
I'm a woman, 3 grown great kids, 4 dogs, 2 old cats, huge flower garden. My husband & I have been married for 20 years, both in the Truth many years.
From a previous post, under the influence of caffine, I have a colorful mental past. On several other sites, there is a therepist, former JW, named Victor, who I really enjoying reading with.
South Carolina is a nice state and the politians just voted to remove the Confederate Flag from the State House yesterday. And people say the South is backwards - little do they know.......
Come share - that's the way people become friends!
i would just like to point out that when i first bought my computer and connected to the internet, the first words i typed in my browser were jehovah, jehovah's witnesses, watchtower.... i must say, i was quite amazed to see so many websites that were for and against us.
my curiosity got the better of me and started reading sites such as watchtower.org ,witnesses.net,watchtower observer, h20, freeminds...ect.. did it bother me to read opposing materials or websites?
as i mentioned in another thread i have spent many years training myself a conscience trained to what the bible and the society's publication have encouraged us to do.. again coming back to the question, did it bother me reading all this opposing stuff?
An elder who I was quite outspoken with and fond of - completely "just friends" as he was an olfish kinda fellow, once told me (with his eyes rolling backwards) "Give a woman an inch and she'll take a mile."
I've run out of initials - I'll have have to resort to words and cheap humor. Got any handy?
sorry no scriptures are quoted, i'm at work - but for all you that are diligent, i'm the owner and i can be on the web when i feel like it!.
i have been reading, a lot.
again, why do we pray through jesus, if he is not our mediator?
We all remember, kinda, that comment. It was from a '50's Watchtower and was dealing with apostates.
The gist was that in ancient Israel, apostates were killed. And the Society said it was rather a shame that the law wouldn't let true Christians continue the death practice nowadays.
We're such a Christian group, now aren't we?
i find myself lacking in zeal in the door-to-door work.
i have this hidden feeling that these worldly people are better off to face jah's judgement at armageddon with their ignorance intact, rather than to bring them into our fold to struggle daily for worthiness and perhaps be set up for failure.
does anyone else ever think this way?
7, Congratulations on being kind and neighborly. It's an art lost. In our congregation, an 80 yr. old couple had given their road front land 50 yrs. ago to the cong. to build KH. They lived on back piece all that time. Cong. sold KH for $230,000 and gave old couple zip. It was suggested by me to have a yard cleaning or picnic or something for them - I was told by elders that there were "no written guidelines" for actions like that.
Several others in cong. suggested actually paying them a percentage of sale since it was their land in the first place. That was suppressed quickly and quietly.
I asked one very kind sister why she didn't speak up at the treatment of this old couple. She actually likes this couple much more than I do.
Her response? She shrugged and said that she figured the elders would do something, if it was appropriate. She said she really didn't know why she was silent. She knew the situation.
I think we've put humanity on the backburner in order to place more literature and bring more people into our organization. We've been taught to do that - and we do it without thinking much about the consequences to our family and friends.
However, most of our congregation is really good at saying: "well, that's just our congregation - that's not how the organization is." But I'm beginning to feel that is how much of the organization really is. Oh, well.
in the supreme court of the united states, october tenth, 1988, case no.
88-1374, filed on june 22, 1988, clerk joseph f. spanol, jr.. on that date and file number, the attoreny james m. mccabe,and donald t. ridley, 25 colombia heights, brooklyn, ny 11251 (718)606-4993, attorneys for amicus curiae, watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. filed a "friends of the court" brief on the behalf of the famous preacher, jimmy swaggart and his ministries.. why would the watchtower society, direct channel for jehovah's holy spirt, which also godly hates babylon the great, which also christiandom is the largest part, go into the supreme court of the united states and file a legal brief to help jimmy swaggart's ministries in his trial which was case no.
88-1374: jimmy swaggart ministries, appelant vs. board of equalization of california, appeller?.
Dear Waystation,
Please don't feel that you are the odd man out - nor that I was trying to make you uncomfortable.
Your fuller explanation of your viewpoint made good points. As usual I don't agree with all of them - but no one agrees with me fully either.
I never stated, or intended to say the Society did anything underhanded or illegal. I was making the point that if they can come to the aid in helping another religious organization while helping themselves - what's the difference in me helping the Girl Scouts by buying cookies and me getting cookies in return?
Or donating to the Salvation Army, Red Cross, any church, most if not all charities?
Or doing paid work for any church, charity, or religious sponsored business?
I'm sure your points are good - but then so should be mine.
Come back and visit - we might not agree on this point, but what's wrong with that?
