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  Some apostates are coming across as crazed psychopaths

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  i'm not sure whether or not my view on this is correct so please leave your input.

  in recent months i've been viewing youtube videos.

  again, it might just be my view but there has been an increased amount of random people grabbing a camera and doing vlogs.

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  Yea, we need more Leah Reminis and less Danny Haszards
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  Leaving the jws is a "lifestyle choice" according to a counsellor

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course i explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone i'm not.

  her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice".

  i tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no.

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  I had a few counseling sessions a few years ago. The therapist/counselor pretty much said the same thing, not those exact words, just a similar thought. The therapist looked at all religions as equal, as far as people choosing/believing in , and could not see the damage that the high control groups were doing to people. Cult was not in their vocabulary.

  They want you to look inside at how you process the situation, not how to blame outside forces. I get that to a degree, but if they don't realize that their patient really is a victim, they're not going to be able to treat the situation effectively.
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  Is the year 2020 the new prediction for Armageddon?

  by Disassociated Lady 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have had a conversation this evening with a jw friend i have known since childhood.

  he is of the opinion that armageddon will have come and gone within the next 5 years.

  are the jws now pinpointing 2020 as the supposed year?

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  Cognitive dissonance. They (most hardcore ones that is) have some form of this belief embedded deep in their indoctrinated brain, while at the same time go about their lives pretty much like the rest of the world around them.

  I remember my F-I-L in the course of 5 minutes going from how 'the end' would be here between 5 - 10 years to talking about how he was going to spend his retirement.
  
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  You wake up one morning and see

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the un has banned religion.

  what are you're thoughts?.

  also changes to it seem to be on the way.... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/trump-vows-israel-vote-161224040133216.html.

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  The UN has banned religion. What are you're thoughts?

  
  

  Well, I guess the WTS won't need to renew that library card this year
  
  
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  My Dad wants to study with me

  by BlackWolf in

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  2. friends

  so my parents continue to pester me about getting baptized.

  the other day my dad told me that i was old enough to make a decision, and was wondering why i wasn't ready (assembly is in a few weeks) so i told him calmly that i have many doubts and if i were to get baptized it has to be 100 percent my idea.

  he was a little annoyed by this, and now wants to study the "is there a creator that cares about you" book (which is complete bs) with me.

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  Dad: Son, let's study together

  Son: Sure, Dad! Let's start in Genesis chapter 1

  Dad: Well, I was thinking of studying [insert current WT study book here]

  Son: But, Dad - that's studying [that] book, not the Bible. Let's read and study the Bible. We can use [that] book for reference, along with other reference material. This way we're really studying the Bible. This should be fun! [hold the sarcasm down as much as possible]

  And then prepare for destroying the WT creation doctrine. If you can't get out of the first chapter of Genesis, you'll never have to worry about studying the seven times, or generations, or Jesus, or great crowd, or other sheep, or Armageddon
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  Walking away will get you D/Fed

  by Drifting Away in

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  2. friends

  someone just told my wife, that those who are just leaving organization or not going anymore will be dfed, has anyone read that or heard of that?

  i have seen nothing of that, and according to jackson at royal commission, we are free to go as we please...

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  This thread marks about the 13,857th time this rumor has been posted on this forum.

  
  

  While the rumors are only that - rumors, never substantiated - it is an indication that the JW practice of casting out people due to 'rebelliousness' or 'sin' creates a fear among their followers, as is its intention. Knowing that the slightest provocation could lead to their DFing/DAing, and thus be shunned evermore by JW family, it causes paranoia among the faithful and the apostate minded alike.
  
  
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  Picture of Let

  by Tahoe in

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  2. humour

  my 'still in' family is passing this pic around facebook like proud parents.

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  talented sketch artist, i'll give em that.

  but how could you sketch that cartoon character and not wonder how Elmer Fudd got to be on the Governing Body

  *edit: I just saw Outlaw's post. Too Funny. Beat me to it...
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  Scientology series, Leah Remini

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i did a quick search on this topic here and didn't come up with anything.

  if anyone has the chance to watch this a&e documentary series on scientology hosted by leah remini it is very very good.

  the parallels are just to obvious to ignore!

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  I saw part of an episode for the first time the other night. If a JW were to stumble upon this episode just as I had, they would not make an immediate correlation. This particular episode went into some really wacko stuff that would make the WTS leadership jealous. An everyday JW would even scream, 'CULT' (not realizing of course they're in a more benign version of a similar deal)
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  Williams sister got engaged to some guy from Reddit

  by wozza in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so is he a witness or if not what are gb going to do about it since she identifies with the watchtower society?.

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  A JW of George Benson's stature to pull a Leah Remini would be more substantial than a Williams sister.

  If he were to wake up, he could do some damage.
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  Watchtower April, 2017 Overview

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'll start with the first study article.. this study article deals with vows made to jehovah.

  three main vows are discussed.. 1) your dedication to jehovah.

  we are told that it is not possible to claim that our baptism was not valid .

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  The dedication crap is a smoke screen. The following info on apostate spouses is the real big deal.

  They couldn't leave it at what Jesus said about 'Scriptural grounds' for divorce. They had to add this next bit:

  The Bible does not set out grounds for marital separation. However, some married Christians have viewed certain situations as a reason for separation, such as the extreme endangerment of one’s life or spirituality by an abusive or apostate spouse.

  Isolate the import of the last sentence. 'endangerment of ... spirituality by ... an apostate spouse'

  They are putting it in clearer than ever writing that leaving the marriage arrangement when the other spouse wakes up to the lies of the WT and declares oneself free of WT control and authority is authorized, and maybe recommended. They have equaled so called 'spiritual endangerment' to 'extreme' physical danger.

  This is a straight up cult move. This is dangerous to anyone who has awakened, and their mate is still a zealous believer. This is going to get ugly for a lot of people.