Posts by Saintbertholdt

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HOWARD HUGHES, Jesus Christ, and the problem of genuine (original) documents

by Terry in

bible scholars acknowledge the absence of original writings of the bible or even of the early generations of copies, recopied copies, up through the next several hundred years.since the details of the history, words and activities of jesus and his followers entirely depend on the accuracy and historicity of the bible, i started thinking about a modern day parallel.. ___________________.

when billionaire eccentric howard hughes died in 1976, the search was on for who might inherit his vast fortune and business holdings..a gas station attendant named melvin dummar stepped forward and told an amazing tale.

dummar claimed that while driving through rural nevada one night in december of 1968, he pulled onto a dirt road to answer the call of nature.. he says he found a scraggly, bearded man lying injured in the desert.

Saintbertholdt

Hi Terry,

Your comparison is interesting. The problem is that Howard Hughes was pretty nuts to do what he did and to leave his affairs in the state that he did.

And that would be the same problem with the testimony provided within the gospels. When given the opportunity at his trial, if Jesus had showed the Pharisees or Pilate a divine act, the matter would have been settled. Or even if Jesus had shown some exceptional insight to Pilate when he asked: "What is truth?", things would have turned out differently. But Jesus kept silent. What better place to demonstrate truth or divine authority than a court of law (Sanhedrin and the Roman trial)? But he chose not to demonstrate any authoritative power and so he was crucified. He got what he wanted but then still expected everyone to put faith in him. That's not a satisfactory way to prove who you say you are.

I would also like to draw your comparison further to the modern day. If God was prescient, then allowed almost 2000 years to lapse after his son's death, knew that technology would develop to its current state but then neglected to provide ample proof of what occurred back then, and to top it off insisted that people should absolutely believe in its authenticity, it actually points to a pretty unbalanced nutty super being.

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A ship (no matter how big) will ultimately sink if it has a hole

by iconoclastic in

humanity is like a ship, and holes are our hobbies (lust, greed etc.

which are fondly renamed as each one likes) which always have been outperforming what science could accomplish!

most of the greater or significant scientific achievements started from 19th centurymay be with the commercial transmission of electricity!

Saintbertholdt

Look at the way the Titanic film was made, it is the reproduction of a great maritime disaster that happened in 20th C, yet its producers included a love-making scene which exposes the lust... Entertainment industry thrives on filling the movies with lust, greed and violence, which people copy later in their lives. Some of the high profile terrorist attack had its precedence in movies.

Legalizing pornography: Lower sex crime rates? Study carried out in Czech Republic shows results similar to those in Japan and Denmark

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130111326.htm

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New light from GB member David Splane!

by Island Man in

in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

"suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

would he be part of joseph's generation?

Saintbertholdt

At least Freddy Franz tried to keep the shit together.

The current Governing Body is ill equipped.

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Hysterically tragic - the west stuffs up in Syria

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

a former lebanese (christian) terrorist once told me a story (meant to be funny) about west asian politics.. a turtle was swimming past the shoreline of the red sea.

on the shore a scorpion calls out,"hey!

give me a lift over to the other side.

Saintbertholdt

The Turtle story is very very old.

Its actually from the Greek story teller Aesop.

Originally it was a frog and a scorpion.

The line: "The Scorpion replies, "Why? I stung you because this is the middle east, and that's what we do.",

is where creative license was taken. In the original the Scorpion replies, "It's in my nature."

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Revelation 8:8 Is a comet / asteroid heading here soon?

by FuzzyPaul in

i have read a lot and watched some you-tube videos (some by marginally lunatic fringe christians - not necessarily invalidating) searching for asteroid september 2015 or comet september 2015.. there is some biblical evidence that, if one doesn't spiritualize / make literally invalid by symbolic exercise, that at the time of the end of the age there will be a uniquely severe, single great earthquake (isaiah 29:6, zecharia 4:7, haggia 2:6, revelation 6:12, revelation 16:18) and destructive objects described as hail, mountains falling from the sky, stars falling onto earth.

i note that ancients would not recognize the vastness of outer space and meteroids, asteroids, comets, planets being what we know them as.. there is also the exact symbol of "then the second angel blew his trumpet, and a great mountain of fire was thrown into the sea.

one-third of the water in the sea became blood, one-third of all things living in the sea died, and one-third of all the ships on the sea were destroyed.

Saintbertholdt

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/

So what happens when October 2015 arrives without incident?

Do you just adjust your date like the Watchtower corporation?

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Angola BANS ISLAM and MUSLIMS. Calls it a sect.

by PaintedToeNail in

jw
friends

angola has banned islam and closed the mosques, saying that it is a sect and counter to the culture of the country.. http://www.worldbulletin.net/headlines/163865/angola-bans-islam-shuts-down-mosques .

Saintbertholdt

Angola has about 90 000 Muslims.

After this lets say about 10% will be upset that they can't go to Friday prayer at the local mosque. That's about 9000 Muslims.

About 10% of the above number are so angry they'd be willing to commit an act of violence. That's 900 Muslims.

Of those 10% would be willing to commit an act of terror. 90 Muslims.

Of those 10% would be willing to commit a suicide attack. That's 9 Muslims.

Congratulations Angola. You've just created a new insurgency.

And you were recovering so well.

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Revelation 8:8 Is a comet / asteroid heading here soon?

by FuzzyPaul in

i have read a lot and watched some you-tube videos (some by marginally lunatic fringe christians - not necessarily invalidating) searching for asteroid september 2015 or comet september 2015.. there is some biblical evidence that, if one doesn't spiritualize / make literally invalid by symbolic exercise, that at the time of the end of the age there will be a uniquely severe, single great earthquake (isaiah 29:6, zecharia 4:7, haggia 2:6, revelation 6:12, revelation 16:18) and destructive objects described as hail, mountains falling from the sky, stars falling onto earth.

i note that ancients would not recognize the vastness of outer space and meteroids, asteroids, comets, planets being what we know them as.. there is also the exact symbol of "then the second angel blew his trumpet, and a great mountain of fire was thrown into the sea.

one-third of the water in the sea became blood, one-third of all things living in the sea died, and one-third of all the ships on the sea were destroyed.

Saintbertholdt

Comet/Asteroid heading for earth?

We've got it covered.

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JW logo and symbolism

by Illuminated in

there's a recent thread regarding the jw indoctrination expressed on the net, particularly instagram.

from an outsider looking in, i noticed this when looking through jw instagram profiles.

it came off super cult-ish and robotic along with similar wording used as though everyone, male or female, is a stepford wife (watch the movie for those who haven't seen it).

Saintbertholdt

"I'm blue, daba-dee-daba-die, ba- daba-dee-daba-die...'

Thanks. Now I can't get that damn song out of my head.

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Four Jehovah's Witnesses face death penalty - Victim of Pakistan's Blasphemy Law.

by Sol Reform in

four jehovah's witnesses face death penalty - victim of pakistan's blasphemy law.. http://www.charismanews.com/world/44004-popular-tv-show-the-latest-victim-of-pakistan-s-blasphemy-law.

popular tv show the latest victim of pakistan's blasphemy law 10:00am edt 5/28/2014.

world watch monitor film actress veena malik and her husband, assad khattak khan, were charged with blasphemy after a re-enactment of their wedding appeared on "utho jago pakistan.

Saintbertholdt

This is a travesty.

Muslims get frustrated because their 'superior' theocratic Sharia law has not produced a superior culture. All that it has resulted in is the dampening of their own creative spirit.

Democracy will always be more developed in all facets of life compared to any form of tyranny. It is therefore imperative to guard not only the democratic political process, but also its pinnacle: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe

by Paul Bonanno in

jw
friends

i have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.

they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".

one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.

Saintbertholdt

Amazing.

The OSCE is primarily a political organization and tries to exercise democratic change through political influence.

So once again the Watchtower corporation is is not trying to legally establish the good news as they claim but is trying to politically establish the good news through their participation and co-operation with the OSCE.

The bitch is screwing around again and hubby must be pissed.