Hysterically tragic - the west stuffs up in Syria

by fulltimestudent 38 Replies latest jw friends

  • fulltimestudent

    A former Lebanese (Christian) terrorist once told me a story (meant to be funny) about West Asian politics.

    A turtle was swimming past the shoreline of the Red sea. On the shore a scorpion calls out,"Hey! give me a lift over to the other side." The turtle, wise to the way's of scorpions refuses. The scorpion begs him again, saying: "You think I'm going to sting you and kill you, but why would I do that when all your doing is helping me? After a lot of discussion the turtle agrees to give the scorpion a ride across the Red Sea.

    As they get near the other side, they thank each other, the scorpion for the ride and the turtle because the scorpion had not stung him. At the other side, as they reach dry land, the scorpion suddenly stings the turtle. Shocked and dying, the turtle gasps, "why did you do that, all I did was help you?" The Scorpion replies, "Why? I stung you because this is the middle east, and that's what we do."

    In the surreal, nightmarish world produced by western political agencies since 1919, the story makes no sense, because there is no more sense in that world. Every possible side has made promises and then broken them.

    An Australian columnist wrote today:

    The body of a little boy washes up in the surf on a Turkish beach is photographed and broadcast around the world. The world is appalled.
    But what if the world were to see the real scale of the sectarian civil war dismembering the Arab world? About 12,000 children have been killed in Syria alone.
    Twelve thousand children. This is the estimate of both the Oxford Research Group and the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights. The United Nations has a smaller but still horrific estimate.
    What if the world were to see the faces of the thousands of young girls abducted and raped by members of Islamic State?
    The world only sees glimpses of the atavistic bloodletting carried out in the schism between Sunni and Shia Muslims, compounded by secondary guerrilla wars between moderate and fundamentalist Sunni Muslims.
    The wreckage extends far beyond individual tragedies and destroyed communities. To traverse the arc of nations in the Arab world is to traverse a disaster zone that is spreading, not contracting. Where once Australian tourists used to travel overland to Europe via Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, that entire route is now too dangerous. Much of it is a disaster zone.
    Syria is finished. It will never be put back together as a single state. Eleven million Syrians have been displaced.
    Iraq is now three states, Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish. The lines on the map of the region drawn by European colonisers have proved to be ephemeral compared to the real borders formed by religion, ethnicity and geography.
    The list of failed states now extends to Libya, Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. The rest of the Arab states are dictatorships by various names, at best monarchies or emirates, with Egypt under military control.
    There is no end in sight. The Arab spring was a Western fantasy. Saudi Arabia and Iran continue to mobilising resources to fund their proxies in the Sunni-Shiite struggle, a reason why the Saudis are pumping as much oil as they can and Iran is desperate to re-join the international oil marketplace.
    Syria is thus the eye of a broader storm and the Muslim world is exporting its instability to Europe, via a mass exodus of people.
    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/operation-rescue-the-christians-of-the-middle-east-face-extinction-20150906-gjg9p2.html#ixzz3l0BYqLaz

    There is no more logic as different (Black) groups in western nations aid opposing groups in the west Asian nightmare.

    Think of the stupidity evident in this British court case, (as reported in the UK Guardian):

    A Swedish citizen is arrested by the Brits and charged with aiding a terror group in Syria. The case goes to court, and then collapses> Why?

    Because the Syrian faction the man was accused of helping, was also being supported by British Intelligence. Further revelations in the court, would (apparently) have been deeply embarrassing for the British Government.

    Details at: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/01/trial-swedish-man-accused-terrorism-offences-collapse-bherlin-gildo

    The west, reluctant to put their own troops on the ground, have been attempting to halt the advance of ISIS by bombing, Rambo Abbott the Australian PM, a deeply committed Christian, is now going to send Australians to join in that fun. At least one year ago, there were rumours swirling that the American government had been involved in arming and supporting the Islamic State group.

    Here's today's headlines in, first, "The Guardian."

    Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq

    More details at: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

    and second, the "Examiner."

    Obama ordered CIA to train ISIS jihadists: Declassified documents
    Link to story: http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-ordered-cia-to-train-isis-jihadists-declassified-documents
    A final question: Who is the turtle?

  • umbertoecho

    I have been following this too fulltimestuden. I can hardly believe Abbot is about to do what he said he would not!.

    This so convoluted and incredibly dangerous...

  • Vanderhoven7
    Obviously the turtle in the story represents those helping to rescue the Syrian refugees. The problem with the analogy is that most of the refugees are not the scorpion; they are probably, generally speaking, peace-loving individuals who just happen to be in peril and need help.
  • LoveUniHateExams

    nightmarish world produced by western political agencies since 1919 - I definitely believe the West has made serious mistakes in the Middle East - the Iraq War for one - and the colonial boundaries, made by those that wanted to divide and rule, don't help either.

    As for the Seumas Milne article ... yes, the West did initially support jihadi groups and this was wrong. But Milne has a ridiculously anti-West bias. Virtually all of his articles blame the West. In his own way, he's racist because he's very reluctant to allow brown people agency. I can't believe he gets paid good money to spout that shit. I suspect that the biggest funders of ISIS were Saudi and the gulf states. Saudi stopped supporting ISIS when ISIS announced that that country was apostate. No country comes out of this episode looking good.

    But your Australian columnists is bang on here: The world only sees glimpses of the atavistic bloodletting carried out in the schism between Sunni and Shia Muslims ... You do realise that Sunni/Shia bloodletting has occurred intermittently for at least the last 1,000 years and therefore is nothing to do with the West, right?

    Abbot ... is now going to send Australians to join in that fun - Auzzie troops will no doubt be eliminating people who rape Yazidi girls, behead innocent people and brainwash local Syrian/Iraqi boys to become suicide bombers. What's the problem?!

    It would be nice to put the blame where it well and truly belongs ... at the feet of the terrorists themselves.

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot
    My (partial) solution to this problem would be to give military training to every refugee male of fighting age and send them to fight ISIS. They have to take care of their own though they need help in doing it.
  • Perry
    give military training to every refugee male of fighting age and send them to fight ISIS.

    They did that for years for the people of Iran. When the US troops left, their US trained/supplied army fled like girls when faced with battle.

  • Driving Force
    Driving Force

    My concern with the influx of these refugees (and I am fully in support of helping these unfortunate people) is that there are undoubtedly covert ISIS and Taliban fighters/terrorists infiltrating along with then. Down the road in maybe 3, 6, 12 or 24 months they will start their acts of terror here in Europe, and that is unfortunate.

    So what is the solution?

    I personally have no idea.

  • SecretSlaveClass
    I feel bad for the refugees, but I certainly don't envy those taking them in. Many of those Muslims may seem like innocent victims now until a cartoon making fun of Muhammad appears in the local papers. My solution would to grant them temporary asylum and as soon as it's deemed safe in their own countries, send them back again ...
  • Je.suis.oisif

    Found this on another forum. I don't have the source to check authenticity.

    Accounts like this are doing the rounds online:

    "The ultimate injustice one can commit to Aylan Kurdi and his family is to omit the parts of his story which explain why he ended up dead on the beach. The details matter, so please read and share:

    1) Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000)

    2) After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Alyan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, his hometown.

    3) When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.

    4) While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of his eyes, in his arms.

    5) Kurdi had applied in June for refuge to Canada, but was rejected. After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But he doesn't want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has "nothing to live for."

  • GodZoo

    Funny that by The West.. you actually should be saying the USA..

    Europe has to deal with refugee disaster caused by US


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