Saintbertholdt

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  JWs have more good points than bad

  by lsw1961 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

  2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

  this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi Isw1961,

  Communism could not withstand the overwhelming and hostile environment around it.
  

  In other words the system could not compete and is inefficient. If you want to drive a car that constantly breaks down, has a 900cc engine, is grey in color, comes in a single model and is rarely available to the general populace because its frightfully expensive, then communism is certainly for you.

  When I asked him what he liked the most in Bethel, he said “the equal pay.”

  You wrote "...they were materially very rich". So they could leave Bethel with impunity. Then carry with their luxurious lives and refer to their time at Bethel as a wonderful and liberating experience which everyone should adopt. Have you ever wondered why most worldwide missionaries and relief agency's hail from rich capitalist countries? Because philanthropy comes from surplus and not from want.

  You have not addressed the matter of the control of and denying access to information by the Watchtower organization. That is the outstanding quality of any cult organization (see my previous posts).

  BTW is the PM you're referring to Tulsi Giri?
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  Told a JW about ARC in August, finally got a reply - Return to Jehovah booklet!!

  by Xanthippe in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so i've mentioned this friend of my husband's who started writing to me out of the blue about three years ago, decades after we d'aed.

  last august i wrote to her about the arc and jackson's summons.

  i gave her the website details so she could see for herself.

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  ... folks we're not even close to at the KH are asking my wife "how I am"

  Well Kurt you're fine cause you're working on your next book: The return of the Kilgore Trout
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  Could Have Been Worse

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  leah rimini spent a lot of money before she ditched her cult: .

  over the years she says she spent about $2 million for services and training courses and made another $3 million in donations.

  among her expenses was $40,000 to compensate scientology for sandwiches... article.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Really? How many people are DEAD because of Scientology doctrine?

  Google Narconon deaths.

  The Watchtower has killed more people hands down though.

  When compared to Scientology strong arm tactics and disconnect, the Watchtowers shunning is still quite tame.
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  Who is the worst storyteller in the Bible or what book?

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for me the book of nehemiah, he got to be the worst storyteller ever.

  how he made the final cut of the bible, he knew someone.

  so a wall is built around.

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  For me as a scientist, it has to be Genesis chapters 1 & 2.

  Yeah its difficult to square the Genesis circle.

  Revelation...

  Naw that's where most of the gnarly imagery resides... The four horsemen, the seven seals... The New Jerusalem... heavenly battles, great surrealist stuff.

  My vote is for the book of Numbers for pure boredom: Zebukak begat Jehuvim, and Jehuvim begat Hosfarilib. And Hosfarilib begat Johisodak, who slew the Philistines on the plain of Moab, but he was struck down by a commuter train...if only.
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  Told a JW about ARC in August, finally got a reply - Return to Jehovah booklet!!

  by Xanthippe in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so i've mentioned this friend of my husband's who started writing to me out of the blue about three years ago, decades after we d'aed.

  last august i wrote to her about the arc and jackson's summons.

  i gave her the website details so she could see for herself.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi Xanthippe,

  This booklet says ' (big J) wants me to experience the relief of a clean conscience.'

  You can always write that you went through the booklet but after you saw the testimony of the elders, overseers and the governing body member Geoffrey Jackson, you would never be able to have a clear conscience if you returned to the organization. How would your local congregation elders be able to address your concerns if a Governing Body members testimony did just the opposite?
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  Could Have Been Worse

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  leah rimini spent a lot of money before she ditched her cult: .

  over the years she says she spent about $2 million for services and training courses and made another $3 million in donations.

  among her expenses was $40,000 to compensate scientology for sandwiches... article.

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  SecretSlaveClass: I think you mean the HBO documentary, "Going Clear."

  Going Clear - Scientology and the Prison of Belief

  I used to watch a lot of Tory Magoo and Mark Bunker videos on YouTube.

  When you compare disconnect and the OSA (Office of Special Affairs) tactics to shunning, the Watchtower looks like Scientology lite.
  
  
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  Too Much Discontent in the Congregation Part 2

  by Simon Templar in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  here is part 2..

  so you will have some understanding of the boe i will reference in future posts, the following is who they are:.

  the coordinator.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Ah hahahahhahaha...

  I hope you tell us many adventures.
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  Is it true? Heard a rumor WT postphones Disfellowshipping until further notice!!??

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am not sure if it's true but i heard from a good source that wt has given instructions to elders to postponed disfellowshipping members from wrong doing/gross sin until further instructions given by headquarters.

  i heard some jws were just reproved either privately or publically.

  has anyone else heard anything like this recently?

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  The Governing Body shouldn't disappoint me now. I am used to the Watchtower being a cult and it would be too disturbing to me if they became a sect.
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  Jeb Bush would kill a baby !

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  ok, specifically he was talking about hitler.

  apparently he was asked whether, if he could go back in time, he would kill him when he was a baby.. and he said "hell yeah !".

  but still wtf?

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  The best answer for any politician when posed a hypothetical:

  The following should be read in Henry Kissingers voice:

  I never answer hypothetical questions because any answer could be easily misconstrued.

  Lets rather look at what actually transpired.

  If the interviewer insists with: "Yes but what if..."

  Well what if the moon was made of cheese? Or what if Hitler never existed?

  Wonderful questions which have no bearing on current facts.

  Could you please limit yourself to questions of a realistic nature?

  Would you like discuss the second world war and its impact on US economics and foreign policy?

  
  
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  What actually DID you learn?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my jw friends that still speak to me, tell me that they love the meetings because of the things they learn.. i wonder what they think they're learning?

  it an avenue that always perplexes me because their replies are just so wishy washy or i get a blank stare when i ask.. what's you r experience?.

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  I learned that there were exactly 12 rows of chairs in our kingdom hall. Almost split right down the middle with a center isle. 9 chairs were on the left of each row and 10 on the right.

  Now that I think about it the numbers can't be right... so I don't think I learned anything.