Posts by stephanie61092

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I have a question.

by DATA-DOG in

according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.

wow, that's really, really, dumb.

to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.

stephanie61092

Here's the answer I would have given as an active JW:

When Adam & Eve sinned, they didn't just disobey, they questioned Jehovah's sovereignty, or Jehovah's right to rule. Jehovah allowed the rebels to keep living because he devised a way to restore mankind to imperfection while also demonstrating his right to rule.

By sinning, Adam & Eve passed sin down to their children, like a dent in a cake pan. The cake mix might be perfect, but once baked in the dented pan, it will always be imperfect. Again, Jehovah didn't protect Adam & Eve's children (like Cain or Abel) with HS because he needed to demonstrate to EVERYONE in existence at that time (because there was sOoOo many) that mankind was going to fail terribly and he was the one with the ability to manage humans best. Jehovah needed enough time to pass to demonstrate that all other forms of government would fail.

Honestly, reading your post and my "jw reply" makes me sick. All the excuses for all of the untold suffering is really just plain stupid. I don't know if that answers

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Damn it feels good to be free and on my own without the pressure to do more as a JW slave

by No Longer a JW Brother in

i don't know where to begin but damn it feels so good to be free of mind control.

i'm only officially out since this past december but i was out mentally for two hot years under the close watch of my batshit crazy psycho parents who bothered me every sunday to see what i thought about the meeting.

it was necessary for me to lie through my teeth.

stephanie61092

Congratulations and thank you for sharing your story!

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"So you think that you can tell us how to live our lives..." Ever heard of Shelly Segal?

by Island Man in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-h_jnisczw

stephanie61092

I had never heard of this before. But these lyrics resonated with me very much:

What will it take for you
To start opening your eyes
To start questioning the bullshit everyone around you
buys

For me, it took being disfellowshipped and being treated as less than a human being to open my eyes and start doing some research.

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Trying To Leave - Im Going Crazy

by pale.emperor in

this is my first post.

i really feel i need to leave the jw's rather than go along pretending everything is perfect etc.

no friends, me at work.

stephanie61092

Wow PE, I'm so sorry to hear you're going through this. That's such a crazy situation. I'm currently DFed and still undergoing the emotions of finding out I've been brainwashed by a cult my entire life. I wish you all the best. This place has been a great source of information and at times comfort for me. I hope you can find some refuge too.

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Question for Cart-Watchers

by berrygerry in

q. what is more important, the bible teach book or the bible itself?.

a. the bible, of course.. q. then why do you only display these books, and not the bible?.

stephanie61092

Thanks for the idea! I think the next time I'm out of town and see a cart, I will simply ask if I can have a bible instead of literature. I'm confident they will direct me to the website and/or app to which I'll lie and tell them that I don't have a smart phone and I was hoping to have a tangible bible to read on the train.

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GoFundMe - JW Pioneer & LDC Couple

by Listener in

jerry jones on youtube exposed a jw couple who were begging for money on gofundme.

this is his youtube .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feohxtbml2c.

stephanie61092

Okay these folks seem like they took an extra hit out off the crazy sauce. This is a little wacko even by JW standards. I've known MANY who wanted to "reach out" but waited because they had to pay off debts, loans, etc. Commencing my giant eye roll... 🙄

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Does the WT attract needy dysfunctional type of people?

by William Penwell in

in your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?

over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.

i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.

stephanie61092

Yes! The only new "convert" in my congregation has clear mental deficiencies. A very kind woman, but I don't have to be a MD to know that she has some definite imbalances going on.

even this weekend I was helping my parents (who have resumed their relationship with me despite being DFd - yay!) clean out and we came across some old WT books. I tried planting a seed by saying "we can throw these away because the doctrine has changed so much. These probably aren't even what we believe any more." My mom ignores that comment but did say "those books were deep. It's all pretty frilly now. I think it's too appeal to everyone coming into the organization and I don't think everyone coming in can handle critical thinking topics." Even the people still "in" know that the society has to appeal to a populous with lower intellect!

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"You don't go to church in a Kingdom Hall"

by stephanie61092 in

"you don't go to church in a kingdom hall" was stated during the public talk yesterday.

the speaker then elaborated that "people who go to church, go to fulfill a spiritual obligation.

coming to the kingdom hall is coming to learn.

stephanie61092

Outlaw.. Love your visual illustration! 😂😂 so true!

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"You don't go to church in a Kingdom Hall"

by stephanie61092 in

"you don't go to church in a kingdom hall" was stated during the public talk yesterday.

the speaker then elaborated that "people who go to church, go to fulfill a spiritual obligation.

coming to the kingdom hall is coming to learn.

stephanie61092

"You don't go to church in a Kingdom Hall" was stated during the public talk yesterday. The speaker then elaborated that "people who go to church, go to fulfill a spiritual obligation. Coming to the Kingdom Hall is coming to learn. We don't come here to sit for a social purpose. We come here to engage and learn."

While I couldn't actually laugh, as I was scribbling in my notebook i wrote down "LOL!" What a joke! How can anyone claim engaging learning takes place in a KH? Learning takes place with questioning, experimenting, and reciprocal conversation. NONE of those things happen in any meetings. The only engaging process is when people raise their hands to answer questions with underlined answers straight from the material, maybe with a little personal flair.

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Baptised younger

by Sabin in

so why do you think the borg is encouraging youngsters to get dunked sooner?

i reckon it's cause they are easy to victimise.

i mean, some-one could say, keep our secret, nobody will believe you & god wont love you, but think of the power they would have if they say "you will be disfellowshipped," on top.

stephanie61092

It's so disgusting. In this weeks portion of the "congregation bible study", they talked about parents encouraging children to wait to get married and not to pressure them into dating. Yet, they are laying it on thick to get baptized! I was only 13 when I got baptized. My dad even tried to reason with me not to make a life long commitment so young. No one could honestly expect a preteen to WISELY choose to get married, have children or choose a career. How can a child chose what faith they want to follow indefinitely?

Before I was DFed (but I knew it was coming), a younger girl (15/16) who always looked up to me asked me about baptism. Even though I still believed it was "the truth" I told her "WAIT! Jesus was 30 when he was baptized, you don't need to rush." Although I hadn't lost my faith yet, I knew this girl was on a similar path as I had been and would most likely get in trouble. The last thing I wanted for her was to lose her family/friends. Now, knowing everything I've learned since being DFed, I wish I could tell her to GTFO and never, ever get baptized!