Never heard of someone having the baptism annulled. heard of re=baptism though, by a person that was not really understanding the dedication that is supposed to precede the immersion. what degree of non-compliance would require doing it again? or have you re-classified as an outsider, or unbaptized "publisher"?
Posts by waton
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5Newbee here - question about baptism validity and special circumstance
by MrRoboto ini would like to thank the operators of this website and all the others here who support those who are walking up.
perhaps i'll share some personal story stuff at another time but i've been lurking here for a while, maybe 2 years or so.
finally got the bearings to create an account :).
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Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty
by Libby inso after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".
(it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).
anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.
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waton
sorry libby if I was not clear, all these Characters that I met, had to be of the sealed anointed partaker, but only Greenlees and another Chitty actually were ib the leadership Governing body. Capman was the head guyonly in Canada for a while.
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Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty
by Libby inso after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".
(it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).
anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.
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waton
there were all three at one time at Canadian headquarters. but that Chitty was a lowly worker in the shop, not the BG member. wt teaches that only 144000 are sealed to go to heaven since Pentecost 033, nowadays, that is establish if you take the bread and wine.
so all these probably claimed that heavenly calling. but if it actually exists--- your guess.
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Complete this sentence with only one word: THE TIME REMAINING IS...
by steve2 inthe time remaining is... elastic.. .
stash: /intesoft-inc.appspot.com/post/f0315d7a1cdf4d6498064881689ea032.html
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waton
the time remaining is expropriated by wt of/for all baptized jws. If you withhold any***, or the money equivalent, your time remaining will be drastically lessened., never to reach eternity.so: obey and be blessed.
ps:*** see wt Ananias and Sapphira citations., sins against the HS. jws' time remaining is already gone, one way or another.
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Do WT Publications Make Us Feel Unworthy, Unlovable and Helpless?
by jp1692 init is my contention that the wtbts, (as do all high-control, authoritarian cults), deliberately cultivates dysfunctional beliefs among its members.
in particular, the most destructive of these beliefs are those that undermine one's feelings of self-worth.
for a research project i am doing, i am looking for direct quotes from wt publications that seem to be specifically designed to manipulate the readers into feeling: unworthy, unlovable, inadequate and/or helpless.
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waton
or take the recurring wording in this week's wt "study": 4/017 /23. People like Peter, Paul, Elders have "assignments", defined by "privileges" that can be changed, withdrawn, always depending on some undefined higher power, ultimately the Organisation.
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Nathan Knorr's Cadillac
by snugglebunny inis it true that a group of brothers clubbed together to buy the then president of the watchtower society a cadillac?
apparently so.. back in the early 60's, my father was the po of a london congregation.
he was a frequent visitor to the newly opened bethel in mill hill.
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waton
we are talking cars not care. Rutherford with his 2 cadillacs, one on each coast, had 24 more cylinders than Knorr, and both of these men were not firing on all them with the doctrines they endorsed.
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“Tree of good and bad” means what?
by venus inif “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.
however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.
for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.
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waton
You think satan jumped the gun on the other "sons of god" that waited another 1000 plus years to see the light? We thought knowledge of good and bad was only an abstract concept like *partaking" or the evil slave class.
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Contrast Jesus and Einstein
by venus injesus did not use his (superhuman) skills to prove the existence of either god or immortality of soul.
further, he did not answer direct, important questions put to him (mathew 21:23-27; luke 22:70 …), and most importantly never defined ego—the root cause of all problems ….
however, einstein, whose business was not spirituality, still defined ego as “optical illusion of consciousness.” this definition helps a lot because when one internalizes the idea that ego is only an illusion, he knows how to effectively deal with it.. .
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waton
I thought I dealt with that: Einstein said that God was nowhere to be found when we needed him, even using the name, which "Jesus" eschewed for "father".
afterlife: 'ach was" vs Jesus' resurrection/soul. promise.
Einstein had a good grasp of science, Jesus accepted a flat earth, water covering Everest just 2 millennia before him, the Adam and Eve story, and it's ancestry, chronology
Why did nobody stand up for him? they tried even to kill the resurrected Lazarus to destroy evidence. I guess nobody really trusted their eyes.
When faced with persecution, Einstein left Berlin for the US. Jesus could have followed the 10 tribes of Mormon fame and done the same.
Jesus believed in magic, Einstein rejected "spooky action at a distance".
Jesus claimed access to an interventionist god that would violate the laws of nature, Einstein was a deist.
Jesus believed in the talking snake.
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Nathan Knorr's Cadillac
by snugglebunny inis it true that a group of brothers clubbed together to buy the then president of the watchtower society a cadillac?
apparently so.. back in the early 60's, my father was the po of a london congregation.
he was a frequent visitor to the newly opened bethel in mill hill.
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waton
Jws seem to be General Motors people, Rutherford owned 2 Cadillacs. The top branch chap in Canada, P. Chapman a green one.
So what is wrong with Ford's flagship Lincoln? because he did not like the Jewish angle?
ps Knorr was a big man, he could hardly be shoehorned into an Austin, Hillman, Morris or Volkswagen.
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Brussels Central station was evacuated Tuesday amid reports of an explosion and at least one man shot who shouted "Allahu Akbar,"
by freemindfade init looks like these attacks in europe are going from weekly, to daily, it literally gives me chills to think about traveling to europe with my family.
that is very unfortunate.
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waton
Brussels a dud, Another half hearted attempt at terrorist mayhem in Flint Michigan. Another "good family man" showing the true background colours? . or payd services?