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  Meeting attendance for elders

  by dkztcequ in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is the minimum meeting attendace for someone, who is of good health, has not children doesn't work in a job that requires travel and lives about 3 miles from the kh?

  is 50% for clam and 75% for watchtower acceptable?.

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  Sanchy

  100%. Period.
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  Daily Text July 21, 2017: Jehovah is a loving father?

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is jehovah really a loving and compassionate "father" to his children?

  as a jw i would have definitely answered "yes", followed by the typical "he allows suffering, but doesn't cause it", or perhaps the "he has created us to enjoy life and wants us to be happy" mumbo jumbo.

  today's daily text demonstrate this reasoning (bold mine):.

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  @menrov: Interesting view

  @wake me up: OMG I'm so glad your son is okay. You must have had the scare of a lifetime!
  
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  Daily Text July 21, 2017: Jehovah is a loving father?

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is jehovah really a loving and compassionate "father" to his children?

  as a jw i would have definitely answered "yes", followed by the typical "he allows suffering, but doesn't cause it", or perhaps the "he has created us to enjoy life and wants us to be happy" mumbo jumbo.

  today's daily text demonstrate this reasoning (bold mine):.

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  @Anony

  Your version is definitely more precise lol
  
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  Daily Text July 21, 2017: Jehovah is a loving father?

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is jehovah really a loving and compassionate "father" to his children?

  as a jw i would have definitely answered "yes", followed by the typical "he allows suffering, but doesn't cause it", or perhaps the "he has created us to enjoy life and wants us to be happy" mumbo jumbo.

  today's daily text demonstrate this reasoning (bold mine):.

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  Is Jehovah really a loving and compassionate "father" to his children? As a JW I would have definitely answered "Yes", followed by the typical "he allows suffering, but doesn't cause it", or perhaps the "he has created us to enjoy life and wants us to be happy" mumbo jumbo.

  Today's daily text demonstrate this reasoning (bold mine):

  See what sort of love the Father has given us!—1 John 3:1.

  Jehovah is the Creator of all humans. (Ps. 100:3-5) That is why the Bible calls Adam a “son of God,” and Jesus taught his followers to address God as “our Father in the heavens.” (Luke 3:38; Matt. 6:9) Being the Life-Giver, Jehovah is our Father; the relationship between him and us is that of a father to his children. Simply put, Jehovah loves us the way a devoted father loves his children....
  

  Pausing here for a second, I'd like to add that I have two children of my own, so I understand what parental love implies. Any Parent would surely agree with me in that this love we feel is an indescribably profound affection where almost all we do is for the purpose of our children's happiness. Has history shown Jehovah to display this same type of "love"?

  ...Human fathers, of course, are imperfect. Try as they may, they do not fully reflect the way Jehovah expresses his fatherly love. In fact, some individuals have dark memories of growing up in family situations that have left them with deep emotional or psychological scars. That is painful and sad, even tragic. To be sure, Jehovah is not a father like that....

  Human father's are indeed imperfect. Yet I still manage to display tender love and affection to my children. Never would I purposely subject them to torture or physical pain so that they learn a lesson.

  I remember a common analogy among JWs attempting to disprove the concept of Hell. They'd ask a parent something along the lines of: "Would you ever burn your child's hand as a form of discipline? Neither would our loving heavenly father subject us to an eternal fiery torture". While it is true that I would never even think of burning my child's hand, does this analogy really fit the God of JWs?
  

  I'd argue that the following analogy would more appropriately fit the that God:

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  A parent explains to his young son that he should not attempt to cross the road without his supervision and that doing so would definitely result in injury. One day, the child is told by a friend that a toy he desires lies across the other side of the road and encourages him to go get it.

  The child, in complete disregard of his father's warning, proceeds to do so. His father, peeking through the window, observes the child approaching the busy road, and rather than running to his rescue, decides to allow it for the purpose of teaching a lesson in obedience. He reasons that there is a Hospital nearby capable of healing any injuries he might receive. The child unavoidably gets struck by a vehicle and while laying severely injured on the ground, the father approaches him and says: "This is what you get for not respecting my authority":

  The father decides that he will allow the child to linger in pain for some time before calling for help, so that the lesson sinks deep into his heart. Hours go by and the child, barely alive and crying for help, continues getting only lectured by his father on the importance of obeying his authority. Only after his young child has lost consciousness does the father decide to take action and call for medical services.

  He also proceeds to murder young friend of the boy that originally instigated him to cross the road.

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  Would you say that this father acted lovingly? Has not Watchtower's Jehovah done the same thing, only in a more cruel fashion? Not only has he supposedly allowed humanity to suffer for millennia with the intent of teaching them a lesson in obedience, but while at it has also directly plagued them with countless sources of calamities such as diseases and/or natural disasters.

  Does this sound like a "Loving Father" to you? The daily text's commentary concludes:

  Knowing how Jehovah loves and cares for us will surely draw us closer to him.—

  I beg to differ
  
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  A Poll Regarding Shunning

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've created a poll here: https://goo.gl/7xburo.

  i'd be interested in seeing the results.. .

  #qp_main1119848 .qp_btna:hover input {background:#00355f!important} #qp_all1119848 {max-width:815px; margin:0 auto;}if watchtower scrapped the shunning policy due to "new light" and your family suddenly agreed to speak to you again would you accept them back?.

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  Speaking only for myself: My JW family members are not bad people. They are simply doing what I would have done if I were in their shoes. I've tried and will continue to do what I can on my part to have normalized contact with them.
  
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  Why Are More JWs Claiming to be Anointed?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most jws i know claim they are happy being in the great crowd.

  they'd rather live on a paradise earth and pet lions than go to heaven.. heaven is a place they can't relate to, a place where they don't expect their friends and loved ones to be.. so why are more and more jws claiming to be of the anointed?.

  aren't they looked down upon as if they are crazy, proud, ignorant, or engaging in apostate thinking?.

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  Most likely because they are being "called" by Jehovah; the eleventh hour workers. (Matt. 20:9)

  So said those in the 1900s, 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s and 2010s, and will probably continue repeating for many more decades.
  
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  Where is the proof?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know that the governing body claim to be "god's representatives" and the "faithful and discreet slave" that dispenses spiritual food..... but where is the proof?.

  according to the bible (if we just for a moment take it as a reliable source), all of god's representatives in the past furnished proof of their appointment - not just self referential claims or statements.. for instance, moses and aaron performed miracles before pharaoh (such as the snake staffs.).

  other prophets performed signs and miracles such as making the sun stand still, healing sick people, making walls fall down, etc etc.... even jesus performed miracles as proof of his divine appointment!.

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  They are the only ones dispensing spiritual food at the proper time. What more proof do you need?

  (I shall go puke now)
  
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  The beard issue

  by Ray Frankz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is my second topic here.

  sorry for this biiig post.

  i would like to tell you guys about one of the things that bothered me most, despite of being something quite simple, but since it affected me directly, so.... well, being a ministerial servant, i knew the bad view the jw in general have towards beards.

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  That's exactly right. It's all about CONTROL. Keep in line with what they expect from you and you'll move up the ladder. Drift away from expectations and down you go.
  
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  Jupiter protects the earth... another example of intellectual dishonesty and an argument against design

  by cognisonance in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm taking a university astronomy course, and i must say it's really fun to read about this field.

  anyway, i remember the jws used to use jupiter (and probably still do) as an example for how unique and special our solar system is (and thus designed) -- namely, that jupiter protects the earth from astroids, comets, and meteors.

  convincing if one doesn't know any better, especially circa 1994 when jupiter stepped in front of a comet for us... but this isn't the full story!

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  The Creator could have easily avoided all this by simply not making deadly meteors to begin with.
  
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  Judicial meeting questions.

  by Fader812 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  why do elders ask such perverted questions during judicial meetings?

  kinda creeped me out, actually creeped me out a lot.

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  I was involved in various judicial committees during my time as elder. Though now I look back with regret at the fact that I even participated in such a disgusting arrangement, my conscience is somewhat clear in that I made it a goal to help the accused feel as least uncomfortable as possible.

  Thing is, as Elders, we are told that the level of repentance should correlate with the magnitude and gravity of the sin, and thus depending on the personality, intellectual capacity and the tact of the individual Elder, it can become the case, quite often, that one might go overboard with their quests for details regarding the sin in question.

  I myself found it a challenge not to do so, and I did witness a few occasions where my fellow committee members would begin a path of questioning that seemed unnecessary and unnerving for the accused. I would usually try to jump in and change the subject so as to prevent any further unnecessary questioning.

  Then of course, there's always the perverts, but that'd be an unfair label for the majority.