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  The Paid Clergy of the WTBTS

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does the wtbts of transylvania have a paid clergy?.

  but do they lie about it and claim otherwise?

  here are some of their falsehoods, imitating "the father of the lie" and his deceptive practices, to blind people's minds:.

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  ruderedhead

  You make some excellent points, Searcher! Thank you.
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  More advise needed, please.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok just an update but i was able to rescind my da letter and the elders after meeting with me, took my excuse and encouraged me to rejoin the congregation.

  i would love to share with you the theocratic warfare strategy i used to explain away my da letter but that may identify me to easily.

  but any way they could of really put me over the coals on one area of the letter which was changed a bit from the one i posted her so that makes me think these guys really want me back then gone.

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  ruderedhead

  It sounds like you may have a fairly well thought out strategy for tyring to get your kids out of the cult, crazyguy.

  Going back to some of the meetings so you can slowly plant seeds of doubt in your children & family may be the way to go, especially since 1. You've gone to the trouble to take back your DA, & 2. There are men in the congregation taking your children under their wing. NOT GOOD!! They will absolutely have an influence on them.

  Can you gently & respectfully assert your headship with your wife, taking the lead in Bible studies? Since the witnesses tell people it doesn't matter which Bible they use when studying with them, why not use that line of reasoning? Use just 1 different one in addition to the NWT, explaining to her you need to know what they say when speaking in the d2d. If you use one written in modern day english, that may make it easier.

  I hope this works out for you. I know it will probably take a while, but it will be so worth it to get the kids out. Please keep us posted.
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  Should I Tell a Witness that I Am an Apostate?

  by Band on the Run in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i sometimes join discussion groups.

  the witnesses do get mentioned.

  i try to make it humorous but some bitterness seeps through.

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  ruderedhead

  You are using your witness think here, botr. THEY are the only ones who think you are an apostate. I don't see any reason you need to say anything. Eventually, it may come up, but in the meantime, who knows, you may say something to make this kind soul think.
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  Avoid or call them back?

  by Angus Beef in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  daughter missed a call from an elder tonight...we've missed meetings for about a month now.

  she is dating a worldly guy and i'm sure someone has seen them together.

  makes us nervous and with us being fairly new to the fading facet... should she call or avoid.

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  ruderedhead

  Sounds like you have a good plan in place. Sorry you have to go to such lengths, but they will probably taper off soon if you avoid them.

  I can't believe they went to your husbands work! Some people need lives! If they docatch you, make sure you are late for something, or just too busy right now.

  Enjoy your weekend!
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  Should I meet with the elders?

  by winnie12 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i posted my story somewhere on this board but long story short i have been expressing my doubts to my mom who is a jw.

  i have been fading since december 2013 and went to a sunday meeting for the first time maybe two weeks ago.

  i went only because i wanted to use the library that my hall has which had books published by the society from the early 1900's.

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  ruderedhead

  I wouldn't meet with them just yet. Make sure you are well versed in the wt history, flip flops on doctrine, and doctrine that still makes no sense. You MUST be able to defend your position. Have you visited jwfacts yet? Great source. Read Ray Franz book CofC? Please be well prepared before you meet with them. Be able to go scripture to scripture with them, if that makes any sense to you, as they tend to cherry pick scripture for their benefit.

  Having your Mom present MIGHT be a good way to open her eyes if you are well prepared, or it could backfire, depending on how hardcore she is, how much influence the elders have on her, and if she is already opening her mind to what you are showing her. Be careful! Sounds like your awakening is new, and yo need a few months to do your research, or you will be eaten alive.
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  please need some advice!

  by insearchoftruth4 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how would you handle a situation where your grandkids are being used by their father to manipulate their grandmother into going to the meeings?

  grandkids sending text messages to grandmothers phone asking if she will come to their meeting.

  grandmother is no longer attending meetings and doesn't wants to she know ttatt.

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  ruderedhead

  Could Grandma stomach going to a meeting once every 6-8 weeks to keep contact with the kids? Perhaps she could drop some subtle, innocent seeds of doubt here and there when the kids are old enough to do some thinking. Dad is obviously a manplulative man and you don't want to be cut off from the grandkids, which could be where he takes it next. This is such garbage!
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  I may not be able to hold the status quo for longer!

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  2. friends

  today my mom called me three times at work to tell me how "worried" she was about my spirituality.. i so wanted to tell her some ttatt but just said, "mom, i am fine spiritually.

  if i am ever in trouble spiritually, i will tell you.

  meanwhile, i would really appreciate it if you left my relationship with god a private matter.".

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  ruderedhead

  Can you put off the meeting for a week or two, and see if she kind of forgets about it, love?

  When/if you and your Dad have a chat with her, please go easy for his sake. Just one or two points that you know she can't dispute, especially if you back it up from scripture.You know you can SLOWLY bring up other things in due time. Love & kindness will get you far. Hope this all works out for your family.
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  Could you imagine Anonymous targeting the WT ?

  by cookiemaster in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  they have picked on cults before.

  they basically went to warfare with the church of scientology, so what would happen if they would pick on the wt ?

  let's say they would release to the public of lot of secret documents that discredit them, or at least attack the jw.org website.

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  ruderedhead

  I think Punk is right, no one outside of jw's/ex jw's cares about them.

  Londo, I thought I had heard a while back that they were going after the wt. Do you know why it was a failure?
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  Well my JW elder dad has lost his job...

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as a little background, my dad became a jw in 1980 i think, went to bethel, married my mom in 86' went back for another year and then i came along... he worked in the auto repair shop at bethel while he was there, and upon leaving, continued working in this field.

  my whole life they have been the type of jw parents that tell you how you will never get to high school, never graduate it, never get married in this system, never have children in this system etc.. i say this to illustrate the end is just around the corner attitude they have always had, probably because they fully bought/buy into the hype at the conventions/wt articles.

  my father has no plan in place for retirement, and he is physically slowing down doing such hard laborious work.

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  ruderedhead

  You are in a tough situation, BU2B. Without giving yourself away, could you point out a few of the times WT has told followers they will not grow old in this system? Let them know how important you feel it is for them to try and make a secure financial position for themselves, as they are obviously ageing in this system. For practical purposes. Do not say anything anti wt right now. Use the over-lapping generation thing to your advantage, cause if I understand it, it could be another 50-100 years, correct?

  It is time for you to start networking for them. Bring them into it, talk to anyone & everyone who might know where your Dad could find employment, and your Mom as well. There are people who support their families doing her type of work.Gently let her know that it's time for her to help your Dad now. Where is that scripture about the capable wife? Your Dad may have to make a career change, maybe you could help him to explore options?

  It might take some time, but I'm sure they could both find employment. And you have to ignore the hints of moving in. Gently helping them find work may get the point across. All the best to you, and I hope your parents find work soon. This must be hard emotionally on them as well.
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  The eldaaaars again!!

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after two months of not coming to my house, today about two hours ago, one of the elders that came two months ago came to my house.

  he was in serve-us with other brothers from the spanish cong and came into my house with a friend of mine (not another elder).

  he said he wanted to talk to me, and he said it in front of my mom and my dad (both were there).. what was interesting is that it seems like it will be a one-on-one for half-hour.

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  ruderedhead

  Why can't you just send him a text message saying you're sorry, you won't be able to meet him after all? No explanation is needed. If you avoid/ignore them, eventually most will taper off and eventually leave you alone.