Posts by tornapart

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Quail sammiches

by LucidChimp in

something that used to bother me back when i cared what was written in the bible (nobody's perfect) was the glaring difference between what jesus is supposed to have said in luke 11 -- which of you if your son asks for a fish will give him a serpent, or an egg give him a scorpion.... and numbers 11 where israel cries out for meat (ungratefully or not) and jehovah sends them meat... and promptly kills them before the first munch is munched, for trying to eat what he provided when asked to.. .

to me the sneakiest machination of god here (satan learned from the master i guess) is that the only other time he sent them quail was the night before he sent them manna for the first time... give the people a taste for lovely roast quail sammiches on skybread panini, wait until they run out of sammich filler and then pow!!.

"trap sprung suckers.

tornapart

I see it as more of a case of the Israelites not really understanding what they were asking for. They wanted meat; they got it.

Quails migrate in huge numbers and because of their body shape they use the wind to help them. Unfortuantely meat doesn't keep in the heat if not prepared properly.

Can you imagine what would happen to meat collected and stored after a few days? Food poisoning I guess.

Was God involved? The bible says so. However, natural phenomenon could easily cause this to happen with the blame being laid at God's feet, so to speak.

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Why do you still go to meetings?

by Aroq in

i'm asking this because there are a few on this site who do not agree with the wt or gb, but yet still go to meetings.. .

why?.

tornapart

To keep under the radar, so no one questions me (although I miss quite a few). Family all still in.

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Favorite JW URBAN LEGEND?

by Separation of Powers in

the story of why the new bible has a grey cover (silver sword) moved me to ask you all what your favorite jw urban legend is?.

one of my favorite jw urban legends.

a sister is out in service alone.

tornapart

I heard about the 'Kenyan shooting' one. Apparently it was even seen on the BBC mid-day news. True, not true? Who knows?

The story goes that a mother and her children were there. They were lying on the floor and the children were told to be quiet, unfortuantely she also had a baby that she feared would make a noise. The whole time the baby stayed silent. They heard others being picked off and shot. Towards the end of the report there was someone singing. Supposedly it was recognised as a Kindom song.

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Things in the Bible that the JWs don't follow/practice.

by UBM101 in

i am pretty annoyed to read/hear them saying that they are the true christian religion because they preach, follow the bible bla..bla..bla... let's list down the things in the bible that they don't follow/do.

i'm sure they are plenty.. the fruits of the holy spirit, that's for a start.. .

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tornapart

Don't pray to Jesus. He said "anything you ask ME in my name I will give it". John 14:14..... of course the NWT leaves the 'ME' out. (Except in the Interlinear)

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Did you ever REALLY believe anything special happened at Cedar Point Ohio in 1922?

by Sapphy in

but the understanding is affirmed in the revelation climax book, albeit with less detail.

the events are as follows (& i'm keeping the quotes really short) :.

1st angel - "it all began during the bible students cedar point convention in september 1922. there gods people enthusiastically adopted a resolution entitled "a challenge.

tornapart

I never believed any of this, nor the 'two'witnesses' nor anything about 1919. It always struck me as fanciful. I remember saying to my elder hubby that if we have to go through any more of that ridiculous stuff I'd scream! At the time I was fully in... I guess now that maybe I never was fully in.. LOL

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great song, not one of Pavarotti's best, though

by Hortensia in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trgufm4dr2y.

it's worth watching to see and hear lucio dalla.

tornapart

Just love this stuff! Especially Pavarotti, Lucio and Zucchero. Goosebumps!! Love this guy too....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pk81iHecwA

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Muslims in Beijing, celebrate Abraham's willingness to slaughter his son.

by fulltimestudent in

some 20 million muslims live in china, with maybe around 12,000 residents around the niujie mosque in beijing.

along with their worldwide fellowship of believers they have this week celebrated the above event in a festival known as corban or eid al-adha.. here's some images of their festival from the english (web) edition of the global times.. reference: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/817939.shtml#.ul19wlbmhcy.

1. prayers in front of the niujie mosque in central beijing.

tornapart

Hmmmm... how many of us are quite happy to have a lamb, pig, cow, chicken, on our dinner plate for a Sunday roast? How do you think it gets there?

All wrapped up in pastic from the supermarket....................... have you seen inside an abbatoir???

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How many have read 'Crisis of Conscience'?

by tornapart in

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friends

for me it was the book!

it opened my eyes.

i started it thinking it would just enlighten me about how the organisation works.

tornapart

For me it was THE BOOK! It opened my eyes. I started it thinking it would just enlighten me about how the organisation works. I'd never heard of it before until I saw it on Wikipedia under an article about the GB. I'd gone there to find out more about them. I wanted to read this book! I couldn't have it in the house, so I searched the web until I found a pdf. I downloaded it and then read it. I was certain it wouldn't shake my faith. Boy! Was I wrong!!!

It turned my whole life upside down. I'm not sorry. It was 2 years ago this month. I went on to read his second book 'In Serach of Christain Freedom'.

I can never ever go back. For me my eyes were fully opened and I knew I had learned 'TTATT'... (The Truth about the Truth).

I'm glad. Thankyou Ray!!!

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What Was Your First Experience In Exposing Yourself To "Apostasy"?

by minimus in

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as a young teenager, i would look at "apostate" books at the city library.

i was always intrigued as to what was sooo bad and other than a few writings of some that seemed like they hated the witnesses, i would clandestinely look at literature, especially in "christian" bookstores.. it took years for me to finally disconnect.

i will say that ray franz' books enlightened me the most!.

tornapart

For me it was 2 years ago. I was reading something on Wikipedia about JWs and the GB. At the end it said about critisisms and referenced Ray Franz and his book 'Crisis of Conscience'. My curiosity was piqued... what harm would it do to peek behind closed doors? I'd always wondered what was so mysterious about the GB. I read the book, then I read his next one 'In Search of Christian Freedom'. The veil was lifted, my eyes were opened and I saw the man behind the curtain! There was no going back.

My next foray was on Jwstruggle, a brilliant website for newly awakened JWs. Then of course Jwfacts and here. The rest is history.

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Stand For Pure Worship, what convinces you that the governing body is being used by Jehovah? Thanks.

by The Quiet One in

i struggled with this question before i got baptised.

what helped you to overcome any doubts?.

tornapart

@Splash...

Sloppy Joe said : " Please explain the process of the GB communicating to us from Jehovah that the end will come before the generation that saw 1914 passes away, and that not end up being true. Please explain why Jehovah communicated that to them? Did he lie? "

SFPW said: "SloppyJoe, nobody ever said the organization was infallible."

So God communicates things to them that aren't true. Or they heard him wrong. Then they told us that we have to believe every word they say. Hmmm.

This guy's irony is too good for an apologist JW. He's another Aunt Connie IMO.