Posts by tornapart

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Open letter Re: Mr. Bowen, Mrs. Anderson

by Prime in

"jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.

" -barbara anderson .

this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.

tornapart

You're right in saying that it's a 'societal problem', but when people are in leadership positions then those people are in positions of responsibilty. Especially towards the vulnerable.

Just recently the CofE recognised it's severe failings towards protecting children and have expressed remorse over it and a determination to change things.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23215388

Why can't the WTS do the same?

As for Barbara, she's been involved with this for many many years. Ever since the feedback she had from the articles she wrote for Awake about child abuse and realised how horrendous the problem was. She knows what she's talking about!

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Now that I am out, which bible should i read? Feeling free at last!

by Freethinking76 in

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friends

so, now that i am out for good, which bible should i read?

there is no way i will read the wt one..so i still want to have a relationship with god but don't know how to choose a bible.

it is very hard to dewired yourself and ,sometimes i feel that i don't have a relationship with him.the what ifs come and go still.last night i was up all night reading and researching , can't shake off the shock still to know ttatt.

tornapart

I like to use biblos.com for comparison of various translations but I'm planning to get myself a KJV, NIV, Holman study bible and the Wycliffe NT. In time maybe some others.

I really don't like the NWT anymore.

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Do you think "Blondie" is addicted to reading Watchtowers and Awakes?

by booker-t in

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i remember when i was a "devout" jws i could not wait to get the new watchtowers and awakes from the wednesday nite theocratic ministry school.

i would actually salivate thinking of the new information jehovah had in the magazines for us.

i was "franatical" and i would go home still in my three piece suit and devour the magazines that very nite.

tornapart

Thanks to Blondie's breakdown every week of the WT I can sit in the meeting (I am still in for family reasons) and I can ask myself 'what would Blondie make of this'. It helps me think critically and see the propaganda and control clearly between the saccharine words.

Sometimes I see different things than she does but it amounts to the same thing. She helps so many of us who are trapped inside not to fall for the propaganda each week. As well as being able to seemingly pull articles out of thin air where someone needs to find it and has been unable to.

Blondie is a diamond!

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DEEP WRINKLES!!!!!!!

by DATA-DOG in

any advice about what really works for deep wrinkles/ sun damage?

the new system is not here, and i worked outside for years without adequate protection from the sun.

i don't want to be overly-concerned about looks because we all age.

tornapart

Actually I think guys look quite attractive with a few wrinkles myself... more distinguished looking. Us women can't get away with it so easily (more's the pity). Suncream is really important though in the summer, you don't want to get skin cancer.

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DEEP WRINKLES!!!!!!!

by DATA-DOG in

any advice about what really works for deep wrinkles/ sun damage?

the new system is not here, and i worked outside for years without adequate protection from the sun.

i don't want to be overly-concerned about looks because we all age.

tornapart

Avon anti-wrinkle creams DD... just don't tell the wife..

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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!

by Crazyguy in

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ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.

the theory of major evolution is crap!

the theory is falling apart.

tornapart

LOL Crazyguy... you're either brave or reckless... HOW DARE YOU SAY EVOLUTION IS CRAP!! hahah

One thing always puzzles me. When watching some really interesting nature documentaries, the evolution believing presenter uses the word 'design' or 'designed'. I've noticed it many times, David Attenborough has said it, Brian Cox has said it, Chris Packham has said it and others. How does evolution 'design' something? It's like giving some kind of inanimate process an intelligence of sorts.

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My response to any one who asks why I am fading

by Skinnedsheep in

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i have thought a lot about what to say when i am approached.

it will kill my fade, but oh well.. "after the new light i had to test my faith and i couldn't prove to myself that the slave was limited to the governing body.".

if cornered by an elder...."can you prove to me from the scriptures that matt.

tornapart

For anyone that is not family or extremely close friend, how about 'It's none of your business'.

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Arguments in favor of the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 BCE

by TJ Curioso in

i received the following explanation in favor of the date of 607 bce.

accepted comments on the points at issue.. .

conclusion.

tornapart

607BCE is only an important date to JWs because of 1914. If 607 is wrong then so is 1914. However 1914 cannot be right because Jesus said 'this generation will not pass away'. Well, it has passed away. To get round this obvious blunder they have had to invent an 'overlapping generation' which when looked at seriously is totally ridiculous to anyone with half a brain. If 1914 is wrong who actually cares about 607BCE? None of the other bible dates carry so much import that someone is condemned for being a mentally diseased apostate for not believing it! Ask any JW what date King David was on the throne, they wouldn't have a clue.

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Are there people who have returned

by His Excellency in

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considering all the consequences of leaving the organization (especially the loss of family), some who have already known ttat have decided to return and continue with the flow just to keep their families and friend.. my question is if anyone here had tried it and how they have been managing living a lie constantly day-after-day?, as i am seriously considering returnning back to the full routine..

tornapart

Well, I never left, I'm still in but wish I could be out completely. However I know what you mean, if you want to keep your relationship with your spouse you may have to 'fake it' a bit. I manage it by going to as few meetings as I can get away with, as little FS as possible, no answering up, no talks and refusing to be guilt tripped if I say no to anything. It is hard but it's just about do-able.

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Judicial Meeting

by Kool Jo in

so here you are...sitting with a couple of elders at judicial meeting, and you're asked the following question:.

"do you still believe that the fds is the channel that jehovah is using"?.

now is it possible to answer 'no' without being df, or how would you answer that question?.

tornapart

I would just turn it round and ask them what Jesus asked his apostles.. "Who really is the FDS?" Last year it was all the anointed, this year it's only the GB, so how do I know what to believe?