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  Former elders did you ever ?

  by Fadeaway1962 in

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  hi did any former elders ever suggest that bro & sis should go to the police?.

  there was a group of sis with various health conditions and on medications had a gathering and drank a lot wine , one of the sister physically assaulted another sis , myself and a another elder were assigned to deal with it after hearing what happened i said to the sis she could contact the police the other elder a lot older gave me a dirty look , the sis said i trust you bro to deal with it .. i think that's why witnesses don't get the police involved because we have been convinced that we can trust the elders and the organisation , and to trust and have faith that god knows all the facts and can read hearts and will deal with it in his time scale and encouraged to leave it with him and not to bring reproach on his name..

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  My first full time job in law enforcement included duties to assist our detectives. The department I worked for had 1 detective whose full time job was to work cases involving juvenile victims. There was a case in our jurisdiction involving a Witness who sexually molested a child in the congregation. On of the Witnesses in the case was an elder who used to be in my congregation, but moved to the congregation where this crime occurred.

  This elder was dodging subpoena service for the trial. The detective was frustrated as this elder was a key witness to the case. I told the detective I would handle it. I served the elder his subpoena personally. It was one of the things that opened my eyes and started me down the path of leaving the Watchtower behind.
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  Dissolved Congregations--Minneapolis--St. Paul.

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we know all the dissolved congregations in minneapolis/st.

  paul now:.

  1. lake of the isles .

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  truth_b_known

  And I asked the person that told me about the superfund site "Why did we build there?" "Where was the Holy Spirit?"

  Reply to them - "The Holy Spirit must be with true followers of Jesus Christ and not Governing Bodies."
  
  
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  Will Armageddon Survivors Be Able to Marry?

  by Expanded-Mind in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi blondie!.

  thirteen years ago you commented on an idea circulating among some jws prior to 1975, that there was a possibility that armageddon survivors might not be able to marry.. "these vows that honor god are used—not from the bible but the only ones sanctioned by the wts.. for as long as we both shall live together on earth according to god's marital arrangement.. when i was in my 20’s, many jws interpreted this to mean that at some point in the 'new system' marriage would end.

  since this was shortly before 1975, many jws rushed to get married worried that they would never have the chance (and never have the chance to have sex.

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  truth_b_known

  I remember often hearing about how -

  1) Resurrected ones will not be allowed to marry (Jesus says so in the Gospels).

  2) A time may come in the New System/World when all marriages will be absolved and there will be no more marriage.

  #2 is directly related to the OP question. I think this was a prudish way of saying "One day, in the New System, there will no longer be sex." This I believe is related to the issue of overcrowding the Earth. End marriage = end of sex = no overcrowding.

  This line of reasoning in itself is leads one to the direct Biblical truth that 1) Adam & Eve in the garden in Eden was allegory. 2) humans were never intended to live forever.
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  Dissolved Congregations--Minneapolis--St. Paul.

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we know all the dissolved congregations in minneapolis/st.

  paul now:.

  1. lake of the isles .

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  Woodbury? That wouldn't happen to be there on Century BLVD in Oakdale?
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  Special meeting next month (February 2020)

  by Jofi_Wofo in

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  2. friends

  it was announced today that we will have a special weekend meeting next month.

  it will be 3 hours long and will include some streamed content.. no explanation was given as to what the meeting will be about, only that it will be exciting and we will not want to miss it..

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  "Special Meeting" is Watchtower speak for "Organizational changes" and not anything spiritual. I remember back in the 90s my parents were certain we were getting a letter that was announcing the beginning of the Great Tribulation. In stead, we got a letter that said we were no longer to charge for our literature, but rather ask for a donation. This was of course to protect Watchtower's religious tax exemption in the US.

  I am sure this "Special Meeting" will boil down to Watchtower financial business. Donate more. We are taking direct control over you congregation's financial accounts. We are selling your Kingdom Hall and sending you an extra 20 miles one way to attend meetings somewhere else because Jehovah's blessings.
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  Dumb things JWs believed

  by JimmyYoung in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am not talking about the usual crap from the cult writings, but rather things idiots believed on their own.

  maybe even helped on by the cult but not directly taught.

  i knew an old man now long gone kunde in michigan.

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  Some of the most disturbing things I heard, but were not Watchtower quotes -

  Dinosaur fossils were made by demons to get mankind to believe in evolution.

  All dinosaurs were herbivores. T-Rex's teeth were used to strip bark of trees to eat.

  Just about anything other than real medical assistance provided by licensed doctors worked better than real medicine (too many to list).

  Any urban legend in reference to Smurfs.
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  First Proper Chat With the JWs in Almost 11 Years

  by passwordprotected in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  since disassociating in october 2008, i've had little to no direct contact with the jws, apart from immediate family members (ie my parents).

  i've lived in my rented flat since may 2014 and haven't had a knock on the door in that whole time.

  until saturday morning.

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  PasswordProtected:

  Your arguments are wonderfully bright, honest, and intelligent. I really appreciate the "one less god than you" line of thinking as well as pointing out the conformation bias, which is huge.
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  SuperBowl 54: US Sports vs UK Sports

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. physical

  so a few things .... apparently it's superbowl 54, and also the centennial of the sport.

  erm ... i'm not a mathematician, but aren't there 46 superbowls missing?.

  americans claim that uk sport ("soccer", aka real football) is too low scoring.

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  Its all bread and circuses.
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  The end is so close now....

  by punkofnice in

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  aren't they tiring out from saying this now?.

  a jobo pimi-lite i know has a terminal illness (no names, no pack drill), was told, 'hold on, the end is so close.

  the pimi-lite said they will need to hold on to their 'go bags(tm), then!.

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  As always, with Watchtower it is always a game of semantics. What exactly does "close" mean, especially without a second point of reference. My dear old dad always told me you have to have at least 2 points of reference before you can gain perspective.

  So, as I recently learned, remains of modern man have been found going back over 150,000 years. That's what anthropological research has found. Geological research has found that massive, near extinction level events happen on Earth about ever 6,000 to 10,000 years. This is why history only goes back so far. Literally, ever so many millennia civilization is reduced to rubble and ash. So, were pretty much over do for another pressing of the reset button.

  That being said, the Judeo-Christian fairy tale of Armageddon is no closer now than it was back in 1872 when Zion's Watchtower preached gloom and doom. In fact, I love bringing up to Witnesses at my door that things are better now than they have ever been in human history.
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  Middle class elders and pioneering children

  by Steel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was looking at my hall the other day some of the upper elders who are retired now have had some pretty good jobs and lives of relative comfort.

  i am not exactly sure what the education levels were but they were white collar.

  most likely started in a world where you didn’t need a lot of education to get a head.

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  What I found was there were usually one of two types of employments Witnesses had - construction/trades or janitorial. The Witnesses who had the wealth were not college educated. They are the ones that started their own construction or janitorial company and then employed fellow Witnesses. Often the business owners would take advantage of their fellow Witnesses whom they employed.

  I remember working for one such company when I was 19. The elder who owned the company stopped by the job site late in the afternoon. He told me and the other Witness working there that the job needed to be finished that day. It was a meeting night. The elder went to the meeting. We stayed and finished the job.

  Often such elders financially supported their adult children so their children could pioneer. It was common to find Witnesses in their early 20s living at their parents' home, sometimes married with children, so they could pioneer.