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The UK government being more secular has nothing to do with it. It's about statism vs living free and the concept of feeling morally superior. Morality is subjective, not objective.
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Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple
by Simon inseems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.
it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.
it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.
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Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple
by Simon inseems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.
it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.
it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.
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truth_b_known
Wow! This thread got 8 pages deep before I found it. Time to join the fray...
This court case needs to be boiled down to the simplest of terms -
In a free society, should a private citizen who owns a private business be compelled by the government to provide goods or service to to another private citizen?
Answer - No. Never.
Living in a free society can be a two-edged sword. There is a difference between right or wrong and legal or illegal. Some things many deem wrong are not illegal.
Racism and bigotry are real. Bigotry towards gender, sexuality, religion, etc. are all alive and practiced daily in societies free or otherwise. However, in a free society, morality should never be compelled by the government. Unfortunately groups on both sides of the spectrum are demanding the government impose their version of morality on the populace.
In the United States, only the government must provide its services to all persons regardless of who they are.
The only thing that upsets me about this story is that 2 out of the 9 Supreme Court Justices voted to compel the citizens of this nation to use their time and resources to do something they do not wish to do.
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Signs You Would Like To See At Watchtower Convention
by Brokeback Watchtower ini think gb loesch has made some pretty bold statements that could be put in quotes with his picture attached could be a real killer!.
believe and obey only the faithful slave, don't believe any negative comment about us in the press believe only us.. google: child molestation watchtower bible and tract society, klick on wikki.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/jehovah%27s_witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse.
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So What Drastic Money Change is Next?
by OnTheWayOut inokay, they cheapened the product by getting rid of hardcover books.
they reduced printing of mags.
they drastically reduced the number of pieces of printed paper that members would "place" in people's hands in various ways, the biggest one being that they put them on a cart and don't encourage people to take them.they cut d.o.
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truth_b_known
I think having a monthly Assembly. Each Assembly probably averages $10,000.00 to $20,000.00 a pop. There's no way it costs that much to run a one day Assembly.
If the average congregation has 100 publishers and the WTBS charges $10.00 a head, that's $12,000.00 per congregation per year.
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Stanley Cup (Hockey)
by LV101 inanyone watching the stanley cup?
so exciting with las vegas golden knights playing second game against the washington capitals?
can't wait for it to start.
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truth_b_known
I hope Las Vegas wins the Cup. I watched game 1 and it was a great game. I missed game 2 last night. I'm sure it was a nail biter.
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Random Thought on Drugs/Tobacco Being Sinful Under JW Doctrine
by neverendingjourney ina friend of mine was telling me about her recent trip to peru.
she said she had trouble with the altitude in certain areas of peru but the locals offered her a tea derived from the coca leaf and that helped tremendously with her symptoms.. i began to think about how i would have handled the situation as a jw given that coca contains an alkaloid that is used to produce cocaine.
in its natural form, the content is very low and the locals use it as a stimulant similar to coffee.. however, as a jw i would have probably refused to drink it viewing it as something similar to a product derived from tobacco leaves.
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truth_b_known
Watchtower dogma on tobacco and narcotics use is dogma. Tobacco use is prohibited as it is "unclean" and the body is a "temple to worship Jehovah". Illegal narcotics are shunned because the Greek word for "spiritism" translated into "druggery". Supposedly use of narcotics "opens your mind up to the demons".
I know chewing on betel but has been denounced by the Watchtower. I would imagine drinking tea from the coca plant would be viewed similarly even though it is nothing like snorting several lines of cocaine. I would be surprised if marijuana use that is prescribed by a doctor in a state that it is legal is accepted by the Watchtower. I would imagine that it's all purely an image thing when it comes to using the Devil's lettuce.
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UK justice..
by zeb intommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.
yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.
his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?
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truth_b_known
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4369837/notting-hill-carnival-man-assaults-police-woman/
I sincerely hope you get your country back, England. I suggest you start by dumping your tea into the harbor.
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Favourite Quirky / Low Budget / Non-Mainstream Movies
by Simon inso the recent topic about film franchises got me thinking.
sure, we all love the big budget, mainstream releases that are so successful they spawn never-ending (it sometimes seems) sequels.
we could watch marvel and star-wars movies for the rest of our lives (and we might just ...).. but y'know what i love?
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truth_b_known
"Primer" was the first movie that came to mind when I read Simon's original post.
Another great low-budget film made in Texas is the movie "Office Space". Sometimes I think that movie is the story of my life.
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Modern replacement for make sure of all things book
by Jehovahisgod inquestion please for one of jehovah's witnesses i'm doing some prison ministry.
you used to have the make sure of all things hold fast to what is fine book what is the modern equivalent of this book i need a book which lists the bible topics and where to actually find them in the bible can somebody give me a pointer?.
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truth_b_known
I belonged to a congregation that had 2 prisons in its territory. The inmate "publishers" were officially part of that congregation. 4 elders conducted the meetings at each facility, 2 at each.
I remember how one of those elders would constantly berate the members of that congregation and used the example of the inmate publishers to contrast on things like meeting attendance and time spent in the ministry.
Anytime one of these inmate publishers paroled they would attend our meetings. The parolees spent their time trying to get money, jobs, a place to stay from the brothers, and chase sisters in the congregation. If they didn't violate their parolee and get disfellowshipped they would just get disfellowshipped.
If Jesus were ever lost it would be easy to find him. Jesus is in every prison and jail. Just ask the inmates who are looking for him.
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Why Are Schools Targets Of So Much Gun Violence?
by Brokeback Watchtower inwhy are so many youth flipping out and gunning down fellow students?
is there something seriously wrong with society?
does the public education/indoctrination system need some serious tweaking?
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truth_b_known
The answer to the question asked will lead to the root cause of this issue.
I can provide a unique insight to something similar going on where I live. Over that past year we have had a rash of Murders in our jurisdiction. The suspects are all ages from 17 to 19. I arrested an 18 year old who shot and killed a kid for paying him $120.00 in counterfeit money for marijuana. Here is what I found interesting.
We regularly monitor the jail calls of these suspects. Each and everyone of them exhibit the same behavior on the phone with their parents. These suspects are in complete shock that they are sitting in jail. They literally cry "Mommy" to their mothers and complain about having to be in jail. The parents conversely assure their child that they will put large deposits of money on their child's commissary account and will pay for the best legal counsel possible.
I arrested another 17 year old who, with his 18 year old buddy, attempted to beat to death another high school kid who they thought told the local police of their low-level marijuana trafficking. The victim had his ocular bone crushed and lost sight in that eye. The suspect I arrested asked if he could stop by Panda Express to get something to eat before going to jail.
I am not sure where this complete disconnect with reality has come from. What I know is that this is definitely tied in with these mass murder incidents in public schools in the US.
