still lurking on here from time to time, but seen this so thought i would post it in case anyone would want to see this.. if this has been posted then my apologies.. .
the documentary on the witness's which i remember did get a mention when it first came out a few years ago is being shown on sky tv on 23 dec at 22:20-23:35 on pbs (chan 166).. its being repeated at 01:55 and 04:55 same channel in the early hours of the 24th dec..
Still lurking on here from time to time, but seen this so thought I would post it in case anyone would want to see this.
If this has been posted then my apologies.
The documentary on the witness's which I remember did get a mention when it first came out a few years ago is being shown on Sky TV on 23 Dec at 22:20-23:35 on PBS (chan 166).
Its being repeated at 01:55 and 04:55 same channel in the early hours of the 24th Dec.
i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.
i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?
i've already found several by reading older posts..
East Yorks
have posted this on the other thread but just making this one as well:
i need to let you know that dad passed away this morning at 8am.
he fought so hard but in the end they could not get his blood pressure to rise and he died of heart failure.
To his family my deepest condolences. I don't often check on here anymore having tried my best to move on from my witness past. I almost pride myself on not feeling the need to post! I remember a lot of Ian's posts and looked out for them, and the fact that he has touched so many lives here is testimony to him. He did more good here, than any amount of hours knocking on doors! My best wishes to his family and friends at this sad time. Tony
hey all,.
just checkin' in.
been here since '01, but don't even have 500 posts.
Well hello there I will throw my hat in the ring....
can anyone compile a list of as many as possible past and present co/do's from the uk?
Great thread this...
jim tait is now an elder in a Hull cong, and lording it over them!!
daryl elgy well I understand he is in northern Lincolnshire. I have connections with the area he was from, and I am sure if he went to the "dark side--US!!" lol, then I am sure I would have heard.
Saying that he seemed a company man through and through and I would be surprised if he left, but you never know.
Daryl was good friends with another CO a Tony Evans original from Southend, but did his pioneering in York. Tony did a lot of temp CO work. Had a child and when she married he went on circuit to Scotland. I don’t think the cong was that sorry to see him go. Tony was best man at Daryl’s wedding.
Anyone remember Peter Howell a CO and DO. He took the pioneer school that I was at. Great speaker and I liked him. Off stage though he was quite quiet and more reserved, which seemed at odds with his platform demeanour.
i've had this thought for quite a while and wonder if fits with the recent talk about the wts claiming that matt.
24:14 has been fulfilled.
my thought was this --- in the wake of the recent cutbacks at bethel, scaling back of literature, and other cost cutting measures, could the wts be preparing the r&f for the complete or massive reduction of literature that would normally be placed with "householders?
Gill said
"I'm sure the WTBTS would be able to wangle some convoluted BS to explain the lack of preaching activitym Ns7!"
I think there is some truth in this, and that is they will always use some spin to explain things, yet nothing will ever change!!!
I know that might not make a great deal of sense (but I know what I mean…)
(I actually think they should do what Gill suggests, I would welcome it, if they really meant it. However I personally feel it’s too bigger risk for them)
But getting back to the question topic, “Society's claim of Matt. 24:14 being fulfilled - What it could really mean”
Let’s not forget, it’s not the society saying this its just one speaker!!
And even if they do a some level print this, I don’t think anything will change. They will use some spin or BS, but the preaching will continue in some form.
ns7
i've had this thought for quite a while and wonder if fits with the recent talk about the wts claiming that matt.
24:14 has been fulfilled.
my thought was this --- in the wake of the recent cutbacks at bethel, scaling back of literature, and other cost cutting measures, could the wts be preparing the r&f for the complete or massive reduction of literature that would normally be placed with "householders?
Hello Gill
When I say successful, I mean successful in controlling the publishers.
Not in a way of bringing people in to the Borg.
Everything about the Society/Borg is control. 5 meetings a week, assemblies, answering up, doing more etc, etc.
“Works without faith is dead…” is a favourite scripture which they use to get people to do more.
That is why until there is some thing printed in the magazines; I would be very sceptical of the preaching work stopping. They need to demonstrate “works” and I don’t know how they could do this by stopping the preaching work.
ns7
i've had this thought for quite a while and wonder if fits with the recent talk about the wts claiming that matt.
24:14 has been fulfilled.
my thought was this --- in the wake of the recent cutbacks at bethel, scaling back of literature, and other cost cutting measures, could the wts be preparing the r&f for the complete or massive reduction of literature that would normally be placed with "householders?
I think we have to be really careful here in not speculating!
We criticise the rank and file witness when they get really enthusiastic over some “special thought or saying” that they hear at a meeting, as if scraps are being fed down from the top table!!!
Another thing we seem to agree about on this board is that the WTS is all about control.
One of the best ways to control anybody or anything is by their behaviour! Standard classic psychology. It’s not the only way that you control people, but it is very effective.
That is why the preaching work is so important to them. They use it to control the publishers.
They would have to find a way to still do this (control them) if they stopped the preaching work.
I really don’t see why they would do this, when they have and are successful at doing this for so many years.
mine are, in no particular order:.
"the friends".
"glean".
Can't believe that no one has mentioned "its a privilege Brothers" Hall cleaning =its a privilege Ministry =it’s a privilege volunteering = its a privilege Talks = its a privilege etc etc etc......
i was talking to a elderly jw's lady at the donut shop the other day and i brought up the un and the wt scandal.
this woman told me that i was lying and that jw's leaders would never be apart of a "satanic" org as the un.
she said that "apostates" are spreading vivious lies about jw's and are only telling half truths.
I haven’t actually told any one, except discussing this with my wife at the time. She was truly shocked. However we are now divorced and she despite reading “crisis of conscience” has thrown herself into the truth totally.
It seems the fear factor is very strong.
I digress.
For me in my passage out of the Borg it has to do with dishonesty.
Now let me make this clear. I am not saying I agree with the society’s position of the library card or not. For me that is not the issue.
The issue is that people, as this response on the topic has shown have been stumbled.
They should apologise and have said sorry, we have made a mistake.
Part of me can believe that the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. The Borg is too big, it is a monster with a life of its own. If they had apologised they would have demonstrated humility and honesty.
In the march 15th 2006 wt article they have a whole study article on aspects of stumbling!!!!!!
The irony of counselling people to have the right viewpoint, when they miss the whole point themselves!!!!
Now that is a scandal in its own right.....
