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TRULY... !!!!!

by Marvin Shilmer in

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in both question and statement form, one word thats overused to the point of nausea is truly.

- is that truly the case?

got new for whoever is asking; either that is the case or that is not the case.

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by Marvin Shilmer in

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in both question and statement form, one word thats overused to the point of nausea is truly.

why do folks use this term so much?

is it voodoo?

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scotoma

NoStone:

If you study neurology you will understand that no one is "at the controls". There is no top authority in living organisms. Power is at the bottom of the organism. Hunger, Sex, Freedom, Security, & Novelty Seeking. These are the basics. Gut has more power than muscle. Muscle has more power than brains. Brains have more power than our senses.

I don't ever see a world without the vast majority of people believing that God is controling the universe.

We will be extinct before humans could be enlightened to that extent.

Humans have the illusion that they are in control because survival requires a sense of agency. It's part of our evolutionary heritage. By believing in our "agency" we are able to handle more complex forces in our lives.

Marxists weren't very good scientists or biologists. They believed that humans were infinitely maleable. They thought humans were multi-use modules that could be plugged in anywhere. They were wrong. Any horse breeder knows better.

Atheism is not idealism. It doesn't believe in the inevitabilty of progress. It believes in chaos and whatever emerges is just the way it is. Nothing more.

Atheists don't believe anyone is or can be in control. There is a conspiracy of greed but it is served more efficiently by dumb god believers who introject an imaginary God that will punish them if they don't do as they are told.

Religion is cheap orientation. You don't need to waste time "thinking" about your purpose or discovering your talents. You simply do as you're told. Not just JW's but all religions tell you that you needn't worry about much because all mysteries will be revealed after you are dead or when the Messiah arrives. I would think that the world of entertainment, sports, reality shows are more suspect of some grand scheme then pathetic atheism.

There have been efforts to destroy religious practice because dictators are envious of religions ability to get people to surrender their brains.

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Atheism's occult roots

by NoStonecutters in

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scotoma

NoSTone,

Dog1 is not Dog2,Dog3,Dog4...... Since I got bit by Dog1 i don't trust any dogs.

Dog1 bites when eating his food at 8am. But Dog1 doesn't bite when he plays fetch...... Even though Dog1 bit me when I tried to play with him while eating his food I am going to keep all dogs at a safe distance.

The fallacy results from tranferring negative or postive aspects of something in its original context to the thing (or idea) in the present situation.

The origin of something rarely has any relevance to its merits.

You asked "is it simply everything I have said that's fallacious?"

No. But your basic premise is fallacious.

You stated "it's been demonstrated to some degree that atheism's current worldly meaning is still relevant to its occult past"

You can relate anything to everything. Significance is another matter. Signicance is a personal judgement and can be scaled somewhat on whatever scale a person chooses.

To me and many others we are atheists simply because we don't believe in god.

We have concluded that not only is there insufficient evidence of the big personal god we believe that the concept of a personal god is incoherent and impossible.

And without concrete evidence we will continue to believe this even if everyone that adopts an atheist philsophy ends up going on a killing,robbing, raping, spree.

We are atheists because we can defend that belief based on the facts.

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Atheism's occult roots

by NoStonecutters in

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scotoma

NoStone:

You have committed the "GENETIC FALLACY"

Look it up on wikipedia.

After you have done that please post the appropriate criticism of your post. Explain to everyone here how you now realize that you were not aware of the GENETIC FALLACY. Compare your error to other examples of this fallacy.

You need to clear up your own argument.

In fact everyone on here ought to do their homework BEFORE posting.

Why should we go through the trouble of trying to straighten out peoples muddled thinking. Especially when it is so glaringly fallacious.

In the google age its unacceptable.

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Atheists V Creationists ... FACE OFF

by snare&racket in

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we should set 3 topics.

1. creation and evolution (origins of life).

2. religion.

scotoma

Isn't there enough stuff already written on this subject?

If there really were a god he should be able to clear this up in 2 seconds.

So basically god not only wanted creatures that pooed and peed but he wanted creatures that would argue endlessly about how he made things.

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Another Major Flaw in the "NU-LITE"

by BU2B in

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i was just thinking and a new major flaw in the new lite sprang into my mind.

one of the ways the governing body justified its existence is saying that there was a governing body over 1st century christians based out of jerusalem.

now i know they dont have any real proof of this, in fact evidence is the opposite of this, but lets say for arguments sake there was a gb in the 1st century.

scotoma

They DO expect blow back.

And they will get it.

Mostly from some of the "intellegentsia" made up of writers & researchers and their network around the world.

Expect a new crop of renegades with choice tidbits of inside information.

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What the Domestics part of the "new light" can / will create

by Gorbatchov in

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thinking a lot last days about the new light about the fds, today i got an idea about the following.. - both the 1) annointed and 2) the rank and file witness aka great crowd are now part of the domestics.. so, in practice, it doesn't matter you have a heavenly or and earthly hope for the future.. because, the domestics can have a heavenly or an earthly hope.. what i think is that this part of the new light sets open the gates for jehovahs witnesses with a heavenly hope.. and more in future: how longer the "new systems of things" will stay away, the watchtower can switch to a doctrine with only a heavenly hope, "living for ever in a paradise in heaven".. what do you think about this?!?.

gorby.

scotoma

Maybe they will say that the 144,000 are those that die a martyrs death.

Rev. 14:4 "These are the ones that follow the Lamb no matter where he goes."

Rev. 12:11 "and they did not love their souls even in the face of death>"

Rev. 6: 11 "And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled

also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been."

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A funy thing happened to me ...

by scotoma in

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i suddenly realized that this board has the same methods at its disposal as the watchtower and it will use them.

and there's no appeal.. i am so saddened by this i feel like killing myself.

this was my last refuge of being able to discuss things that are on my mind.. and now i see there is no hope.

scotoma

I suddenly realized that this board has the same methods at its disposal as the Watchtower and it will use them. And there's no appeal.

I am so saddened by this I feel like killing myself. (I'm serious)

This was my last refuge of being able to discuss things that are on my mind.

And now I see there is no hope.

I see that this community will act in an authoritarian way.

Moderators can form a lynch mob and remove a post anytime they want to.

I always thought that if you don't like or agree with what a person says just tell them or even ignore them.

But, to trample on their sincere effort at communicating a deeply thought out idea... that's traumatic.

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Are JW's REALLY the cause of people committing suicide?

by scotoma in

blame the cult.

blame the cult.. suicide is a very complicated behavior.. mental health professionals caution against assigning blame when people kill themselves.. being disfellowshipped is a life stress and some people are not equipped mentally to handle it.

scotoma

Blame the cult. Blame the cult. Blame the cult.

Suicide is a very complicated behavior.

Mental health professionals caution against assigning blame when people kill themselves.

Being disfellowshipped is a life stress and some people are not equipped mentally to handle it. But the large majority of disfellowshipped people are somewhat greatful for the forced exit. They feel liberated.

If a person is fired from their job are you going to blame the company for the former employees suicide?

We all liked Eric and there is this first reaction to become angry. It's part of the mourning process.

Sometimes suicide is an effective way to make a statement. Sometimes pouring gasoline on oneself is a rallying cry.

I'm sure oompa sent a strong message to his former congregation and family.

There are cults that advocate suicide. Jonestown comes to mind. Heavens Gate.

The most serious type of suicide that can directly be put at the feet of the JW's is asking people to commit suicide rather than take a blood transfusion. False martyrdom. That's something they can't wriggle out of.