Speak on Brutha! This is precisely the reason I haven't spoken to my parents, elders or any other JW about my sexuality. We all know what road that leads down. I wonder what it would be like to go to the meeting and talk to the "brothers and sisters" like they were your best friends and then have them read your name off from the platform. I would love to read peoples reactions after the meeting. lol. Hope you find what your looking for :)
stillstuckcruz
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If I do not go and speak with the elders by Sunday, then he will speak with them on my behalf.
by TimothyT inmy friend called round before and has just left.
he told me that he was worried about me and that he wanted to speak to me as to why i havnt been going to the meetings or on the field service.
i told him that im just not discussing the reasons at all.
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If everyones thinking the same way then someone is not thinking.
by life is to short ini was watching the voice last night and cee lo green said that to one of the contestants.. dose that not sound like the jw's.
if i ever had a question it was always wait on jehovah and try not to think of it anymore.
or just keep your blinders on and look straight ahead to the new system.
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When I was having doubts and explained them to my father, he said I was "thinking too much" or had "too much time to think". Makes me sick....
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Identifying who Jehovah is using
by jwfacts inthe governing body seems to have ramped up the number of comments in the watchtower in recent years that they are chosen by god and must be trusted as such.
how exactly has jehovah manifested that the gb are his representatives and must be followed.
tell me if i am missing something, but it seems in the bible, god provided dramatic signs to prove who his representatives were, yet these days there seems to be none.. .
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I agree 110%. I truly wonder how those who have been in the "truth" for 30+ years can honestly sit there and say YES this is gods chosen people. There has been NO evidence whatsoever. Brothers on the platform may say that its all bible prophecy. Persecution, values, teachings, the "love of the people",etc, none of which has been to such a degree to constitute that they are the only ones to survive armageddon.
This is why I'm trying to leave ASAP.
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Confused about something....
by faundy innot posted on here in a while.... .
my sister is the only one in our family who's still a witness.
she's 32 and married to a servant.
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stillstuckcruz
From what I've observed as a Witness...even though the Jdubs have generally a single view on a particular matter, the witless all tend to act out on it quite differently from one another. Now technically, you are correct in that your "crime" is no were near as serious as apostacy. Technically, according to their own doctrines, she is not supposed to have contact with either one of you, especially an apostate. That says one of several things: She can't be fully into the religion. There must be something there that she can't quite grasp. For the rest of the witnesses, apostacy is even WORSE than a regular ol' disfellowshipping.
As another user said....just let ir ride. You never know what may come of it in the future :)
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I'm New!
by Strength ini left a few months ago and i'm trying to get my story out there and help others.
i just started a blog.
feel free to check it out.
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stillstuckcruz
How is that spam? Just wondering...
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They are worried about me!
by TimothyT inso i havnt been to a meeting now for about a month or so!
today, i decided for a change that id just go!
it was so boring... one young sister gave a good talk however.
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Great to hear this Timothy!
It just shocks me how little they talk about True Christian principles and instead focus on the endless dronings of the importance of the field service.
^Very true. Seems like every "bible highlights" part highlights how the organization should be run. Every point is how to obey the elders and don't scoff at their wise councel yada yada.
It's great to hear that your finally happy. Funny how that happens AFTER you left where you were told you would be happy. No way in hell God would just do away with someone like you simply because you aren't a witness. Keep hope alive! :)
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crisis of conscience
by inbetween inwhen i was fully in, i never even heard of ray franz or his books.. after learning the truth about the truth, what woke me up, was in the first place the inconsistency of doctrine, the missing logic and the bending of the scripture to fit their theology.. personal experiences i took with a grain of salt.
therefore, even though i learned about "crisis of conscience" i did not bother reading it.
personally i did not doubt, that what he wrote would be true, but i thought, it would not help somebody to get out, because, its his personal experience, which proves nothing in the end.
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Can someone PLEASE tell me if this book is available in PDF format at all? I'm dying to read it. But I can't order it online and then it arrives and one of my family members signs for it. I have a nosey family....
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Counselled on chatting to a study!
by Penn9 inhey all, i'm new to posting, but i've lurked for a while.
quick intro: i'm a 25 yr old guy, brought up a jw, strayed for a while, then got baptized convinced it was the best thing for me, the rest of the world is satanic, etc.
i overcame that ridiculous belief and i know the truth about "the truth" but my friends and family are all deep into the cult so leaving is a huge risk that i'm not willing or ready to take.
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HI! Welcome to the forum. I'm 20. Still stuck in. Raised a witness. A simlar story to yours. You may have seen it whilst lurking. Anyways...well if you put the word "stumbling" into picture form, you can just imagine someone just waltzing along, no problems, and then something in the road just trips them up causing the to almost fall over. So somehow, by talking to this study, you may have caused someone's spirituality to be thrown out of wack. Hard to imagine, I know.
But thinking about it STRICTLY from the JW point of view: It's understandable why talking to a non-baptized person is highly looked down upon, especially since you are baptized yourself. One thing my parents always told me(as well as the YPA book) is the when you date, that means you are ready to get married. And when someone at the KH talks to a member of the opposite sex rather frequently, it often seen as dating. Think about it....your a 25 yr old, single man, talking to the same good-looking woman often. Not much to decipher there. Even if your conversations aren't romantic, people tend to jump to conclusions. Not just JW's...that's just how people are.
Your a baptized guy. She's not. If by chance, you DID get married, how would it work out? (Mind you, this is only from what others in the congreagation may be thinking.) Since your baptized, you would have one set of goals, and she would have another. You said it yourself, your not sure what her baptismal goals are. Baptized and un-batized mates hardly ever work out. One usually drags down the other. And the JW's know that. Which is probably why someone took notice and spoke up. The JW's are very nice people. Many are only looking out for what they feel are your best interests(even if you don't want them to). I'm in a different situation but I DO know the feeling. :)
NO she isn't in there to lure me away. Poor girl is actually really into this stuff. She has morals and her exact words were "I'm so glad to have found a religion where everyone else has them, too."
Note that finding a religion with morals is different that a belief system. She may love the morals and all, but what will happen when she REALLY finds out everythings else involved with being a baptized member of the JW. Having to believe EVERY teaching to the letter. No straying whatsoever or suffer the harsh consequences. Being judged if near every waking hour and free moment isn't being spent in FS. If you wish to find out....talk to her and see just how much she know about the depth of it all.
whats the worst that can happen to me if I brush off the ridiculous counselling and go on talking to this girl?
One of the things i've been doing recently with my problem in order to avoid added priveleges and responsibilities but still remaing in and avoid watchful eyes is this: Follow some cousel and not others. Not this is just my advice based on what I can see here. I'm not sure how the rest of your JW life is. How are your FS hours? How's your association? What "assignments" do you have? But regardless. you must make a decision based on what you really want. If you want out of the religion ASAP and have a means to do so, but still can't because of friends and family, just stay under the radar. Don't make it too obvious at the meetings if your trying to avoid heartache from "friends" and family. BUT, if your TRYING to make a bad impression without being too obvious, just continue to talk to her at the meetings.The worst that can happen? The elders talk to you again using words such as "disobedient", "stubborn", "unwise", etc. You may have half the congregation "counselling " you. idk. It's not a disfellowshippable(is that even a word?) offense or a sin unless you have sex with her or something. So keep that in mind
Best wishes to you. Hope everything works out for the best! I know how hard it is... :)
Stillstuckcruz
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What's the most dumbest/petty thing you've heard of someone being "stumbled" over?
by Reality79 in- some loser once took offense that i hugged a sister goodbye at a leaving do and ran back to the elders like a little child telling on me.
i was 15, this sister was in her 40s at the time.. - this elder said someone told him they saw me with a copy of the sun newspaper.
yes, this paper is known for its 'page 3' topless girls but far from pornagraphic and i wasn't even thinking along those lines.. - one brother who had a good job was 'counselled' because he was actually able to buy himself nice things including a new car (shock, horror!!
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My goodness. Love the topic. A few wks ago, a MS brother gave a talk. It was audience discussion. When he got down and went towards the back, an elders wife stopped him at the back door and said she was upset because he didn't call on her. He laughed assuming she was joking. She just ducked her head and went and sat in her car.
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How much do you truly believe you would enjoy living in a perfect world? Paradise...
by stillstuckcruz inwhat sort of conversations could you have in a perfect world?
i have a hard enough time creating conversation in this world.
when i need a conversation topic, i might mention a news story, or some problem such as the price of gas.
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@Clarity: that diary is VERY interesting. I would be so scared to make a mistake in the paradise. I'm not sure how the JW's believe it to be(because I never pay attention) but do they feel you would NEVER sin at all? And if you did, would you be instantly ejected from Paradise? Not sure how that works.
Too many variables and factors in making the New System(NS). If your hours aren't good enough...would you make it? It you have a bad attitude...would you make it? If you are the perfect witness but you have a grudge against one person in your hall...would you make it? If you missed too many meetings...would you make it? If you were the perfect witness, but you kept a dirty house,...would you make it? I would never feel good enough. That's what the JW's cause you to think, even if not aloud.