now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.
it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.
with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.
They had to make some sort of change.
The "within one generation" of 1914 (remember the arrow illustration?) clearly wouldn't wash any more.
Instead of admitting they don't know what they're talking about, they bought the organization more time with the overlapping generation explanation.
A lot of people didn't buy it, of course, but a lot did.
who of those passed away jwd/jwn members, do we think of??.
oompah and the lady from australia, are there more??.
g..
Terry,
Thanks for the report on Moshe. Please tell him I said hi.
who of those passed away jwd/jwn members, do we think of??.
oompah and the lady from australia, are there more??.
g..
I miss Moshe.
He left several years ago.
Not sure what's happened with him since.
if jw wants to know the truth about the truth, what will you talk about first?
You won't be successful with a one size fits all approach.
Things that were big to me might not affect them at all.
Things that I didn't care about might be what troubles them the most.
So I'd start out by letting let their questions and concerns establish the agenda.
Occasionally it might be necessary to try to expand their area of inquiry, but this should be done in bite sizes rather than by trying to lay everything on them at once.
i’m reservations, pimo elder.
i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?
any ideas?.
How you go about it may differ depending on specifics.
What specifically do you want them to see that they don't see now?
Is it differences between WT doctrine and the Bible?
WT doctrinal flip flops?
WT false prophecies?
WT covering up of pedophilia?
Other?
here is a post on reddit from mark and kimmy o’ donnell, from the crusaders documentary,.
ask us anything.. mr. o'donnell gives his assessment of why wt lawyers continue to defend the child sex abuse cases that the organization continues to fight, even though they see firsthand the deception, the lies, the withholding of facts and dirty tactics used in court.
by an organization that claims to be god's earthly representative, and the only one to hold the truth.
If they are JWs, they probably think of it as theocratic war strategy.
After all, if they're JWs, they've bought into the claim that the WTS is God's organization and that the "faithful and discreet slave" speaks for Jehovah.
And given how the organization discourages higher education, I wonder how many of their lawyers are JWs and how many are non-JW lawyers just representing a client.
if you tell a jw that he or she is in a cult and they asked you why do you say that?
how would you respond?.
If you tell JWs point blank that they are in a cult, they will label you a persecutor or apostate and have no further dealings with you.
When you think about it, does anyone respond favorably to being told their religion is a cult?
Vander,
I thought the shortest man in the Bible was Bildad the Shoe Height.
was talking with a gal that is most likely going back to the religion after 20 or 30 years.
we got into a discussion about having babies after "armageddon ".
she was talking about being normal ( she is practically bedridden but only in her 50's.
Why is she going back to the WT after 20-30 years?
in my opinion, in a body of elders let’s say with 7 elders , 2 or 3 were pretty much on the ball.
they were reasonable, intelligent and moderate.
the others were either extremely extreme about everything or very liberal.. did you have qualified older men or were they all lousy to you?
If by "qualified" you mean "company men," all the elders I knew met that qualification.
A few of them did eventually wake up, though.
