Posts by FreeAtLast1914

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"This is their best way of being in the new world"

by FreeAtLast1914 in

a post from jwtalk.net reminded me of how demented the groupthink is among jehovah's witnesses (http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16268-international-peace-security-news/):.

every one who is in the world today and dies tomorrow is in line for a ressurection.this is their best way of being in the new world.

they probably wouldn't get through the the gt.

FreeAtLast1914

A post from JWTalk.net reminded me of how demented the groupthink is among Jehovah's Witnesses (http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16268-international-peace-security-news/):

Every one who is in the world today and dies tomorrow is in line for a ressurection.This is their best way of being in the new world. They probably wouldn't get through the The GT. John 5:28,29
We can pray for the kingdom and let our heart be at peace, since Jah will do all the rest.

I think the same way as you Lee, every person that dies in this system has a chance at a resurrection, that is the only thing that keeps me sane when I hear about all the disasters and deaths everyday - at least they will get resurrected! If someone lived to the end they would not. That's how I comfort myself every night after watching the news.

I've been out for several years now and I almost forgot how delusional they can be, how delusional I was. To hope 'good' worldly people die before the Big A so that they can be in paradise. To 'comfort' themselves when innocent people are murdered, raped, abused because that was their only way to get into the New World Country Club.

Wow.

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Is Lying a Disfellowshipping offence?

by stuckinarut2 in

so, if lying or being deliberately misleading is a "disfellowshipping" offence, why haven't the brothers who lied to the australian royal commission been brought before a judicial committee?

?.

FreeAtLast1914

If I remember correctly, when they lie to cover their ass they call it "Theocratic Strategy" and then it's okay.

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Matrix moment - what was it and when did you share it?

by MMXIV in

for those of you who had a moment like that from the matrix when you realised what you'd believed was fundamentally flawed or a lie - what caused that defining moment and how long was it before you could share your thoughts?.

mmxiv.

FreeAtLast1914

Mine happened to me when I was conducting a Bible Study with a youth in the congregation. He was 15. We were studying a chapter discussing how we (as JWs) know the Bible is from God and not men.

He asked a simple question, one that I had heard a million times before, "How do we know that these men wrote what God told them to write, not their own ideas?"

Instantly my training kicked in and I directed him to 2 Tim 3:16. And while he was reading it, it dawned on me. How can I use the fact the Bible claims it is inspired for proof of inspiration? I will never forget that moment. On my way home the question haunted me until I realized the fallacy of JW logic. The next wave instantly hit me like a sucker punch; if they Society has this wrong, what else have they missed?

Within a couple months, I stopped going out in service and managed to find ways to miss almost every meeting. A couple years later, deep into my slow fade, I stopped altogether.

A matrix moment, indeed.

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Are You Ready for The Memorial?

by OnTheWayOut in

it's this week, folks.

i thought i might give you a new thread to vent on.

many on our forum still go to the memorial or have to answer to family about not going.

FreeAtLast1914

The wife and I still fake going to the Memorial, having a line ready for when her parents grill her "Where did ya'll go to the Memorial?" "Oh I can't remember the name of the congregation. Somewhere south of town."

In actuality, we get dressed up and go to a nice steakhouse.

We love Memorial season!

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C.O. Is coming this week

by Freeof1914 in

jw
friends

so i had the elders come to my house about two months at the time i told my wife and family that i was having doubts.

they came by i explained my position and they basically told me i needed to be more humble and just tow the line like many others have before me.

well i have not gone preaching or to any meeting for two months after that and did not recieve any phone call from the elders, which was fine by me .

FreeAtLast1914

I had one of those visits myself. I was roughly a year into my full fade, not having been to any meetings, assemblies, conventions, or service at all. The gang was two local elders and the CO. The trick is to keep your doubts to one topic. Don't be all over the map. Focus on one thing that is wrong with the Organization and stick to it, telling them repeatedly that your conscience will not allow you to go back at this time.

They will ask the classic question, "Do you still feel Jehovah is directing the Organization?"

This is where you play their own Theocratic Strategy card on them. Lie. Tell them, "Absoultely. That's why I hope they eventually get this right."

That was three years ago. Not a single elder has been by since. No judicial action was taken, despite efforts by my dad and brother to get me DF'd. Nothing happened. I know this because there are a few JWs who still talk to me, though it is generally brief. The elders simply could move against me on a single issue gripe that I was keeping to myself.

That's my two cents.

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Top Secret JW Letter, April 2, 2012

by graysome67 in

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FreeAtLast1914

This method also lessens the paper trail of printed literature, creating a system where they can revise at will (when the new light hits them), giving them cover when someone tries to call them on "changes".

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Top Secret JW Letter, April 2, 2012

by graysome67 in

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FreeAtLast1914

Smart strategy for a publishing corp. Halve the size of the printed issues to reduce expenses and slowly transition the flock to consume material on the website with exclusive articles.

Form my perspective, this either means the followers aren't giving like they used to and the GB is scrammbling for a way to even the playing the field, or the brothers' donations are the same and the governing body simply wants to increase the bottom line.

Gotta love cult capitalism!

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Watchtower Career Brochure

by Alfred in

watchtower careers.

would you like to have the most fulfilling career available on earth?consider the great privilege of becoming one of jehovahs witnesses.

we have many titles and classifications* that you can aspire to as you work towards your salvation.

FreeAtLast1914

Love it!

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Overlapping generation segment on the new Circuit Assembly program

by traveb in

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friends

so there i was at the circuit assembly sunday morning with my eyes glazed over as usual when all of a sudden, bam!

a demo with two brothers talking about the new overlapping generation teaching.

the reason it took me by surprise was because it occured during the second talk of the sunday morning symposium, "sanctify god's name by your speech".

FreeAtLast1914

As confusing as this new bs explanation is, my family has no problem with it or anything they hear from the platform. As they put it, 'The Society's word is law.' And that being the case they continue on their merry way trying their best not to think about any of it. If the Society tells them to jump, the only legitimate question is 'How high?'

I doubt there are many "strong" JWs who have an issue with this overlapping nonsense. Because them having an issue = them hating God.

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Pre-emptive shunning - a growing reality

by cedars in

i'm scanning through some of the results from the 2012 jw survey as they're coming in.. the most populous of the six voting categories with 76 voters so far is my own category, for those who are inactive, or "faded/fading" (not disfellowshipped or da'd, but no longer reporting time on the ministry).. one statistic already leaping out at me surrounds the question "do you experience 'pre-emptive shunning' from active witnesses, who view you as 'bad association'?

" of the 74 who voted on this so far, 76% have answered "yes" to this question.. it's early days, and obviously i will have a clearer picture of the extent of the problem once the survey closes at the end of the year.

however, the results already in suggest that pre-emptive shunning is widespread among inactive ones, despite this not being an "official" policy of the society.. i was interested in your opinions as to why this may be?

FreeAtLast1914

00DAD, it had to do with the Society's double standard over baptism of illegals, while they as an organization claim to not tolerate those who challenge Caesar's laws. Like I said, in retrospect, it turned out to be a minor issue, but one that woke me up to the broader issue of their non-Biblical, anti-Christian positions on almost every aspect of life. The Watchtower is a house of cards and the baptism issue was simply the thing that shook me sufficiently to begin digging.

The rest is history.