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Jesus as "Eternal" Father?
by jonathan dough in
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the jws claim that jesus is the eternal father at isaiah 9:6. but if that's true, why do they dump him after the 1,000 years?

i thought jesus intercedes forever?.

not only do the jehovahs witnesses teach that jesus christ is a mere angel (reasoning, 218) but they discard him and his services as an intermediary and helper with respect to his role as propitiation, his sacrificial death.. since sin and death are to be completely removed from earths inhabitants, this also brings to an end the need for jesus serving as a helper with the father in the sense of providing propitiation for the sins of imperfect humans.
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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.
by jonathan dough in
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i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.
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Resurrection date and parousia questions
by jonathan dough in
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1) do the jws still believe that the first resurrection of the 144,000 began in 1918 or did they change that?.

2) do they still believe that jesus is present, the parousia is upon us and that he 'returned' invisibly in 1914 or has that also changed?.

http://www.144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-5.html#21.
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Jonestown cult and the JWs
by jonathan dough in
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anyone see the recent cnn special on jonestown?

it really bothered me, particularly when listening to the survivors talk about the amount of control exerted over them; they were afraid, terrified, couldn't just walk away, family members were snitching on each other, families were split up in the end, tugged out of arms, they were well dressed seemingly happy people who were clapping and cheering until you looked in their eyes.. the similarities with the jws isstaggering.

jones preached obedience, obedience, obedience.
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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?
by jonathan dough in
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how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.
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List of Watchtower flip-flops from the beginning
by jonathan dough in
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i'm looking for an extensive list of their major doctrinal changes from the beginning.

has anyone compliled such a list?

what they believed then vs. what they believe now?
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Temporary New Covenant limited to 144,000? Salvation outside NC?
by jonathan dough in
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does anyone actually believe that the new covenant is temporary as the jws falsly teach and limited only to the 144,000?

that the non-annointed still "benefit" from it though are not parties to it?

that there can be salvation outside the nc?.
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This will blow your mind. Horrific JW conduct reported.
by jonathan dough in
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article after article.

make you vomit.. .

http://www.watchtowernews.org/familymurders.htm.
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Proof texts that Jesus was, and is, God. Any ideas?
by jonathan dough in
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can anyone add to this list of links?.

20) proof texts that jesus was, and is, god.. 21) phillip said to jesus: show us the father - (john 14:8-10).

37) and the word was god - (john 1:1).
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"My God and My Lord" Ps. 35:23 - Need OT version
by jonathan dough in
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when thomas said "my lord and my god," he used the exact words that david used at psalm 35:23 with reference to god, writing, "awake, be vigilant in my defense, in my cause, my god and my lord," (rsv, nab, kjv and green's literal translation).

"lord" here is translated from the hebrew adonai used exclusively of god.

thomas would never have used these same words when addressing the risen christ if he were just a man.