Posts by winnower

right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).

barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.

winnower

To JWD posters who are pressing Malkiel for his "status" and "congregational standing": You are still caught up in the "hive mentality". You still think like a mob. You are showing your ignorance and prejudice by trying to imply that if he is not a fader, an apostate, an "X-JW", or an atheist that he is not welcome here. Shame on you. Knowing the truth about "the truth" leaves you with a moral obligation and you now have a responsibility to guide and teach others. Something has obviously drawn him here. Some of you are backing him up against the wall and others are throwing tomatoes. If you turn people like this away, you will be "bloodguilty" now!

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What will you do when the Great Tribulation Begins?

by Malkiel in

i've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.

right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).

barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.

winnower

Hello Malkiel. Obviously something has drawn you here. Maybe something deep inside knows its time to confront your worst nightmare. Makiel, you said: The US and British government is replete with 'open' members of masonry. Their goals, short and long term don't involve 'taking over' the UN, but rather influencing it. In many ways, depending on how you view both of these organizations, they can exist as one united entity as well as separate but complementing entities. I am glad to see that you have a little idea of the pieces of the puzzle. You are right in saying that masonry will not "take over" the UN. It is the higher echelons of the Freemasonry chain that is actually behind the UN. They are the 13 controlling bloodlines sometimes known as the Illuminati. Why that name "Illuminati"? Think "illuminate" ...does the "light get brighter"? Do the scriptures tell you that Satan transforms himself as an angel of light? Where do you think "new light" comes from? Did you know that Watchtower is a part of that Freemason chain of Societies and brotherhoods?

Links Between, and About, Zionism, Freemasonry and Jehovah's Witnesses

http://www.illuminati-news.com/zfjw.htm Malkiel, you said: Since then it has been veiled in the form of Freemasonry. But the symbolism is still there, under our very own noses. Ezekiel sees in a vision the rituals of Freemasonry, which is really sun worshipping. Of course sun worshipping is just another form of worshipping Satan. This sun worshipping existed since Nimrod, right thru the Sumerians,Egyptians, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans and now, thru Freemasonry, the Anglo-American world power. Reply: malkiel, if you have done so much research, why do you not recognize that Freemasonry ( and a Rothschild bankrolling the operation) is the origin of the watchtower religion? This association is mentioned as far back as the original "bible students". Rothschilds.... (one of the 13 bloodlines of controlling illuminati families) ROTHSCHILD PURCHASING LAND IN
PALESTINE. http://www.biblestudents.com/htdbv5/r1374b.htm Notice they were simply called the TOWER back then. http://www.biblestudents.com/htdbv5/zwt0490.htm Mormons were also founded by a freemason. Scientology came about through mind control experiments at Stanford Research Institute. I think in a short time it will be revealed that ALL religions have been contrived by this ancient evil bloodline of illuminati druids. Here's a little bone for you to chew on. C.T. Russell’s membership records in the Masonic Knights Templar are kept in Ireland.TheBlue Lodge records belong to the Grand Lodge of PA. Lady Queensborough in her book Occult Theocracy published in 1933 notes on page 737 C.T. Russell’s Masonic membership. His Masonic membership must have also been common knowledge to those associated with him, and those acquainted with the prominence Russell gave to the Knights Templar logo. Evidence shows C.T. Russell was not only a high freemason, but prominent in their schemes, in other words he was a key player. Watchtowers are very important to the very highest Freemasons. The highest secret knowledge of many Masonic rites including such rites as the Scottish Rite, the Rite of Memphis, the Rite of Mizraim, etc. is concentrated in a high level group of Illuminati. One group ofthe Illuminati is the O.T.O. The initials O.T.O. can stand for several names, one being Ordo Templi Orientis (The Order of Oriental Templars). Its esoteric name is Order of To Ov. Itsmembers also have been referred to as the Great White Brotherhood or AtlanteanAdepts, and have workedwith the B’nai B’rith. There are four separate groups of OTO lodges, each contains hard core occultists. You said: Of course sun worshipping is just another form of worshipping Satan. This sun worshipping existed since Nimrod, right thru the Sumerians,Egyptians, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans and now, thru Freemasonry, the Anglo-American world power. In the 16th century William Sinclair was one of those who introduced Enochian Magick to Scotland. The Scottish connection in the Watchtower Society is overpowering. Both the Russell's and the Rutherford families came from Scotland as well as MacMillan and many other key early Watchtower leaders. From this it appears that the Scottish type of Illuminatism that created the early Watchtower Society has always practiced Enochian magick. Knowing the Watchtowers is the key to Enochian magic. The same type of winged-sun-disk that Charles Taze Russell used was also used on the Magick. Two phrases that were popular among Satanist's who practiced Enochian Magick in Rumli's day were "Millennial Dawn" and "Golden Age." Golden Age is another term for the New Age. The New Age is what the Masons call their magazines. Charles Taze Russell was a Mason. http://www.pnc.com.au/~fichrist/Masons.html The Winged Sun Disk derives its meaning from ancient Egypt and represents the actual Masonic god worshipped at the higher levels of the Masonic Order. On Russell’s tomb stands a pyramid bearing the Knights Templar logo The Golden Age magazine, published by the Watchtower Society, of 26 March 1924 gives us a clue to where the name Watchtower may really have come from. The Society tells us that Mizpah in Hebrew translates into Watchtower. Interestingly one of the important types of magick used by the Illuminati, secret societies and New Agers is Enochian magick. The Watchtowers are a vital part of Enochian magick. Interestingly, three Knights Templar lodges that have the Hebrew name Mizpah were operating in Charles T. Russell’s area. It is also interesting to note that many of Russell's talks were given at Masonic halls for example The Watchtower of 1 December 1923 on page 360 records the use of the Pittsburgh Syria Shrine Temple for the annual meeting of the WTB&TS/Convention. One way Masons recognise each other is by secret signals and handshakes or terms in printed material. It seems odd that in the New World Translation of the Bible at Hosea 12:14 the Hebrew word “adonai” is translated as “grand master” in this one instance only. Could this be a secret sign to other Masons and maybe a clue to translation committee member Frederick Franz’s connection with the Masons. malkiel, you said: Now the people in the 'know', powerful people no less(members of Freemasonry), seem to be putting final touches and making last decisions to finally bring Nimrod's plan to fruition, which is creating a unified front, the Beast (or the UN, the New World Order, etc. ), that will confront Jehovah at Armagedon. Malkiel, No one is going to confront the Jehovah's Witnesses. The watchtower will be making a few changes to help the congregation become more streamlined with christendom. The major religions of worldly christendom have been undergoing a transformation over the last few years and are becoming more in line with what used to be exclusive watchtower doctrine.The origins of pagan holidays have been exposed from the pulpit and religious icons are being discarded as well. The watchtower, along with the other religions, will gradually mesh and become a part of the UN one world religion. It has been planned and contrived for over 100 years.

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If the G.B. and WTS don't have good motives, what is the point.....

by Mightyone in

this may be the topic of an old thread but, if the g.b.

and wts don't have good motives, what is the point of the whole religion?

i mean, it doesn't appear that anybody is getting rich or am i missing something.

winnower

Oracle said: I have a wonderful friend who is trapped in this way, and he agonizes on a daily basis about the whole thing. Now just imagine if you were actually at Bethel with your entire life wrapped up in it....that would be exceedingly tough. That is what makes Ray Franz's move all the more remarkable. I would say there are hundreds, if not thousands of people in positions of great responsibility in circuit and district work, and at bethel homes all over the world who have had their awakenings and feel completely trapped. My reply: This is where the sheep and the goats are beginning to separate. It is a choice every one must make on an individual basis. You can't continue on in this org and then say you hold the GB responsible. That's kind of what Adam said...blaming it on someone else. That won't work. You have a choice. It may be costly for many, but Jesus warned that standing for the PEARL of TRUTH comes at a great price. It is the time, RIGHT NOW, to make decisions. Do you stand for truth or will you continue on in a lie? The sheep and goat are now entering their respective quarters. ....one shall be taken and one shall be left behind at Armageddon, yet both shall know the truth, for great is the knowledge of this generation, but one shall sell their soul for a lie, and one shall free their soul from all lies and from all Liars, Deceivers and Religionists.

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If the G.B. and WTS don't have good motives, what is the point.....

by Mightyone in

this may be the topic of an old thread but, if the g.b.

and wts don't have good motives, what is the point of the whole religion?

i mean, it doesn't appear that anybody is getting rich or am i missing something.

winnower

Mightyone asks: I have read old information about the mason, illuminati and so forth, is there any concrete link today? My reply: Of course. The founder of the tower was a Knights Templar and the Society was bankrolled with Rothschild money. The founder of Mormonism was also involved in Freemasonry. I think before it's all over, we will find that every religion and religious movement has its origin in Freemasonry. (except for maybe Scientology. That group has an association with Stanford Research Institute mind control experiments.) Here are some links to get you started: http://www.illuminati-news.com/zfjw.htm JW Defector Blows the Whistle On Masonic WTS Board Member Why Would Jews Support Jehovah's Witnesses?Jewish Masonic Roots of Jehovah's WitnessOrder of the Skull and Bones, Chapter 322, and Russell TrustB.C./Yukon Masonic Lodge Caught Lying About Jehovah's Witness FounderRussell An Unoticed FreemasonThe Russell BloodlineThe Watchtower and the MasonsMormon's Masons Christian Science and Jehovah's WitnessSkull and Bones Fostered Communism In RussiaJehovah’s Witnesses file $100,000 suit in Canadian court to silence embarrassing whistle-blower web siteDirty Secrets of the Watchtower Bible and Tract SocietyRothschild, Rockefeller, and Jehovah's Witnesses
Fred Franz consulted with non-JW Jewish consultant for deeper insightAnother Masonic Tombstone Found In the Russell Owned Allegheny GraveyardDid Franz's Bodyguard, An Iraqi Jew, Run The Watchtower?Whistleblower Website Sued By Jehovah's Witness Forced To Shut DownThe Masonic WatchtowersHow Was Hitler Connected to Brooklyn, N.Y. ? or One Religious Manipulation for Allwatchtower.org Does Damage Control On Secret SocietiesPastor Charles Taze Russell: An Early American Christian ZionistWas Charles Russell Murdered and Why On Halloween Night?Pyramidology and Kabbalism Flaunted In Watchtower MagazineCecil Rhodes Scholarship, Rutherford, Franz, and Illuminism

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If the G.B. and WTS don't have good motives, what is the point.....

by Mightyone in

this may be the topic of an old thread but, if the g.b.

and wts don't have good motives, what is the point of the whole religion?

i mean, it doesn't appear that anybody is getting rich or am i missing something.

winnower

Ip Sec said: Someone besides them is pulling the strings behind the curtain. My reply: Yes. There is a higher power behind the Tower...and it ain't "god". The GB are puppets taking orders. Too many people have started to peek behind that curtain. That's why it's time for the curtain to fall.

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Whats wrong with obeying God?

by real one in

jw
friends

many who post here are always talking about they don't need god and that they don't believe in god and that he dosen't exist.

god does not ask us to do unreasonable things.

most of the things he ask us to do protects our lives.. why don't people get that?

winnower

Steve 2 said: "The JW says it's Jehovah's will as revealed through his channel, Moslem's says its Allah, Catholics say it's God's word as interpreted by the Pope and on and on and on and on." My reply: interesting that you should put jehovah, Allah and the Pope all in one sentence. Here is is again. Pope Pushing Idea that Allah and Jehovah are the same God.

Issue Date: January/February 2000 In his weekly general audience in late May of 1999, Pope John Paul II addressed Muslims in a series discussing "interreligious dialog." He quotes from the 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church n. 841 which states, "... together with us they (Muslims) adore the one, merciful, God." The pope and many other religious leaders today, who are being wooed into the ecumenical movement, are accepting the idea that the god of the Koran and the God of the Bible are one and the same. Here we can see the subtle beginnings of the oneness movement that is coming on. The philosophy that "all gods are the same" and that "all paths lead to god." My Bible says the road to destruction is broad and the path leading to righteousness is narrow and cramped. So, who will you believe folks? Oprah and the Pope? Or scriptures from a man who died because he told the truth?

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Whats wrong with obeying God?

by real one in

jw
friends

many who post here are always talking about they don't need god and that they don't believe in god and that he dosen't exist.

god does not ask us to do unreasonable things.

most of the things he ask us to do protects our lives.. why don't people get that?

winnower

Real one: Your question is vague at best without having given a definition of "god". I do not believe in any god that would require a blood sacrifice. This is against the nature of a True Creator. (The implications of such has to do with changes made in the scriptures by the Nephilim, when the offspring lineage came to work as temple slaves and eventually began to have more responsibility, and later, authority. This blood thirsty god is not Our Father nor the father of Jesus.) Jesus did not come to earth with the exclusive purpose to "die for our sins." He came to this earth to teach us how to LIVE. He came to teach us how to behave toward one another. He came to raise man's consciousness. He came to teach us how to confront the evil against us. He came to let us know he was well aware of the miseries and tests we would face in this world, but for some reason it had to run its course. He also gave us promises of reassurance that one day all would be rectified and we would have a chance to enjoy what the True Creator had hoped for us originally. He was killed by forerunners of a group that still exists today. An evil satanic group. When you focus on "jesus died for our sins" you completely negate what he came and LIVED for. Can you explain what sense it makes to you that "jesus died for our sins"? Please articulate what that really means. Can you explain why a Creator would require the destruction of a creation he supposedly loves? Please be articulate about that, too. And PS...there is no rapture. You are going to be stuck here going through hell with the rest of us. Will you die or will you survive it? One thing for sure, none of us are so special that we get flown out before it happens. Oh yeah, some like you think you get out mid-way and the rest of us blokes will suffer. That's pretty arrogant too. It ain't gonna happen. Something tremendous DOES happen at the very end of the story. But you won't see any reprieve before then.

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Noah, a preacher of righteousness?

by easyreader1970 in

if you are familiar with the wbts literature, you are familiar with their version of the story of noah.

it's mostly the same as other christian versions except for one detail.. in only one scripture in the bible (2 peter 2:5), noah is called a preacher of righteousness.

this is the only scripture in the entire 66 books that mentions him in this way.

winnower

Why Noah and his immediate family were the only ones immune from this great judgment is significant. Genesis 6:9 says, "Noah was a just man." He stood out as an example of righteousness and godliness in a perverse age. Like Enoch before him, Noah also "walked with God." But there was another reason why Noah was spared, one that seems to have escaped most commentators. Genesis 6:9 says that Noah was "perfect in his generation." Does this mean moral and spiritual perfection? Hardly. Genesis 9:20-23 disproves any such perfection. What, then, does the Bible mean by calling him "perfect"? The Hebrew word is "tamiym" and comes from the root word "taman." This means "without blemish" as in Exodus 12:5, 29:1, Leviticus 1:3. Just as the sacrificial lamb had to be without any physical blemish, so Noah's perfection. In its primary meaning, it refers not to any moral or spiritual quality, but to physical purity. Noah's genetic line was uncontaminated by the Nephilim. He alone had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels. (15) And again: Noah's bloodline had remained free of genetic contamination. This implies, of course, that all the other families on Earth had been contaminated by the Nephilim. It also proves that the assault of Satan on the human race had been far more extensive than realized. It is no wonder that God pronounced such a universal fiat of judgment. As for the fallen angels who participated in the abomination, God put them in custody "in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" (Jude 6). This is sometimes interpreted as Tartarus or the "nether realms" (2 Peter 2:4). This would also explain why some fallen angels are in custody and why others are free to roam the heavens and torment mankind.