Posts by WTWizard

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A Jehovah's Witness matter clearly not understood by a great many members (concerning imprisonment)

by Terry in

during the vietnam war (1955 - 1975) young men reaching the age of 18 were required by law to register for the draft within 30 days of that birthday.jehovah's witnesses included.most jw's did not (perhaps never did) understand the situation faced by young brothers in the congregation.the general "understanding" among the rank and file went something like this.1.

jw's serve jehovah as ruler rather than men.

2. we believe "thou shalt not kill."3.

WTWizard

And look who is responsible for most of these conflicts. Christianity and communism are both joke-hova's creations, and both are identical. Joke-hova is directly responsible for creating communism. Then, when anyone tries to fight against it, joke-hova makes this person into a villain and the whole world has to go to war against those trying to prevent communism. At the same time, any xian that gets drafted into such war, which is serving joke-hova's own interests, is blamed for it. This has been a problem with Vietnam, and will for sure be a major issue when World War III evolves.

It is also set up to appear to be that Satan (who always gets the blame) is responsible for the wars that joke-hova gets started. It is set up to blame Satan for communism when Satan is more against communism than anyone else. This gives the jokehovians something to blame for the wars, and then they can go to jail and suffer (and give more energy for more communism, which means more wars to impose as there are still a few nations that do not want it).

As I see it, why should the draftees pay twice for it? They are already victims that they have to fight a war FOR communism. They do not want this war, but they are forced into it. Why then, should they receive any additional blame for it? Just so they can suffer more guilt, so more jokehovian curses can be put on them?

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Pressures from world is like wind

by road to nowhere in

that lesson for today likens holy spirit to wind.

any sailor knows you have to sail across or into the wind to get someplace.

the wind will shipwreck you.

WTWizard

Joke-hova's butt-holy spirit is set up intentionally to shipwreck everyone. It has already shipwrecked the whole planet--we see this in all the problems we have, and that no one tolerates calling out the true source of such problems. (It is even illegal to do so in most countries.) We have churches being called out for major crimes, yet why are they not being shut down? We have rituals in all three major religions that deliberately harm animals and people, including children--yet they are the only ones allowed through the whole world.

Not to mention the same "God's chosen" control 100% of the media, all our money, and all our companies. They have claimed ownership of all resources on the earth, and ban people from finding non-polluting, endless sources of such (and blame the common people for the pollution and resource depletion). This is joke-hova's butt-holy spirit at work, protecting joke-hova from the consequences of its actions while exposing everyone else to a shipwreck that will be impossible to be rescued from.

Maybe, had we did a nice Chinese gybe a few years ago, this whole mess would have been avoided and we could have reclaimed the earth and its resources (and properly taken care of them). World War III could have been avoided. Yes, as with a Chinese gybe on a boat, it is rough while it happens. But, the parasites would have ended up in the water and the earth could have been set free from the butt-holy spirit instead of on an "island" that makes Gilligan's Island look like a picnic.

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For heaven's sake , Jan 1-5 weekly program

by waton in

january one.

genesis one wt mental gymnastics.

gen 1:1 earth created in the beginning, ?

WTWizard

The whole bible is designed to put us all into a condition to be enslaved. Removing spiritual and scientific knowledge is required to fully enslave the human species, and the bible does a good job at doing that. And, anything that contradicts this book of lies is bashed, protecting the lies that are going to have us all enslaved under full Noahide Law.

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Were You Willing To Die For Jehovah?

by minimus in

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we were supposed to be dedicated unconditionally to jehovah god.

we were willing to be persecuted to the death if need be.

if it came to taking a blood transfusion or dying, we were loyal to jehovah and would be a martyr for god.

WTWizard

They deserve nothing at all. I feel that the best way to deal with the blood issue is to not have it come up. This means safety first. Carrying a bright umbrella in rain (especially with poor visibility) instead of the approved drab one might stop you from getting hit in the first place, and then you won't go to the hospital at all. Using common sense and not going out in field circus when it is too dangerous might prevent an accident. Allowing people to exercise sensibly instead of denigrating it would allow people to get in shape, avoiding heart problems (and so would being less tight with time, so people don't need to eat at McDonald's every day).

Yet, they are so insistent on their rules that incidents happen that should have been prevented. Instead of returning safely home, they fight to refuse blood. They never ballyhoo anyone that is sensible enough to stay home in dangerous conditions instead of going to the boasting session, and then avoid a trip to the hospital that forces them to miss 10 or 15. Better for them if people suffer needlessly, get into needless fights, and waste so much time in the hospital than to have people not get hurt at all.

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Current JW growth in the United States in historical perspective and in comparison with other groups

by slimboyfat in

current jw growth is slower than during most of their history.

the only probable exceptions are following 1975 when there was a brief worldwide decrease, the late 1920s when around half of the members left the movement, perhaps around the 1917 schism, and various schisms during russell’s time.

there were also periods of sluggish growth during the 1950/60s and around 2000. .

WTWizard

I think most of the jokehovian numbers are also bogus. Unlike the mor[m]ons, they do not have systemic doctoring of the numbers. They do it at the local levels. People turning in fake or pressured time slips. Hounders making fake slips in behalf of those who otherwise turn in nothing. Add this to the fact that many actually do time, but don't believe half of what they are told or do things against their own religion and are not accounted for, and you have inflated numbers. Not to mention those who turn in token service plus maybe one or two boasting session attendances per month.

I would like to see the numbers if they define "membership" my way. Only those who, according to their own theology, would definitely be saved if Armageddon would happen right now, count. Using this number, I would suspect well under a million--probably only 500,000 to 800,000 in this category. This leaves the majority being active but not sincere. Maybe doing token service, maybe practicing sin in secret, maybe wishing they were not in the religion in the first place. But, according to their own theology, such would be destroyed because joke-hova "sees hearts".

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In 1 coordinated night, the congregation collapsed within 60 minutes

by BottleGate_ in

https://old.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ek8tt5/breaking_news_from_japan/.

from post.... "breaking news from japan ... actually quite extraordinary news.

just got off the phone to a good pimo friend in japan.

WTWizard

Another video, another language (this time, Italian). Which, to me, is not quite so valuable to befuddle the hounders since there is at least one hounder that is fluent in Italian, and at least one other pious-sneer. Which is more than can be said about certain other languages--I would like to see how many understand German or the Slavic languages, or Sanskrit.

Hint: A lot of washtowel vocabulary has the opposite meaning if one uses Sanskrit than it would in Hebrew. The term "Satan", for instance, means "adversary" in Hebrew. But, it means "Truth" in Sanskrit. Anyone that can become fluent in Sanskrit ought to have a good time taking the bible and throwing it right back in their faces.

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Hats Off To Simon

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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huge round of applause for simon (not every hero wears a cape).

this is to say a huge big thank you,tons of appreciation and gratitude from me for simon for toiling away on his own dime for 20 years or so and keeping this site up and running .

surely this site has helped tons of jdumbs n exjdumbs in their search for ttatt and freedom.

WTWizard

This is probably one of the longest running sites of its kind. I have seen other similar forums fizzle out. Even web sites have come and gone. Yet, this one is not only holding its own, but it has become the site one should research before deciding to become a jokehovian.

Sure, there have been changes. But, most of them have been to accommodate people. I remember when I first came, they had a few rules they have eased up on. One is "Posting in a language other than English". Since they softened up on that, I have seen (and downloaded) numerous files in German, and there have been things in other languages as well. While the primary language here remains and always will remain English, it does help to have occasional material in other languages (which I will use if I get cornered into meeting with the hounders--none of whom will understand a word of German, and relatively few know anything but English and Spanish). That should be fun, if it comes to that.

Going back even farther, I understand that the site started as a place where active jokehovians could come to, and it turned into this instead of remaining strict pro-jokehovian. Which is nice, since it provides a place where people that are leaving can come to, and anyone thinking of joining the cancer can research before committing.

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Elder dissassociates himself from platform!

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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https://youtu.be/6xotjmusdpy.

zing.

WTWizard

For the record, the video is in German. And that is how I intend to reply if I get called out on why I don't attend boasting sessions any more. In German. And they are going to have a miserable time trying to understand a word of it--I am getting so I can understand bits and pieces of it, even at speed and in this sort of environment. And, if I do send a disassociation letter, it will be in German.

To any hounders--have fun trying to read it.

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Happy Alcoholic Jehovah's Witnesses

by The Bethelite in

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friends

for many years since the witness organization, after i have told people that i'm no longer a jehovah's witness, people would say "oh the religion were people are not allowed to drink!".

"no they drink alright.....they can't do much of anything else but they do drink!".

in fact the first place i ever got drunk was bethel.

WTWizard

Jokehovians are not allowed to smoke or use drugs, but they can and do drink alcohol. Their view is that alcohol, in moderation, is food. The same with coffee. It is the Mor[m]ons that are not allowed to drink alcohol or coffee. I do not know much about the Seventh Day Adventists on alcohol, but they do follow a semi-vegetarian diet.

I personally think these religions are all bunk. And I do not smoke, drink alcohol, or use drugs. Drugs just make one stupid, and smoking ruins your health in every imaginable way. But, with regard to alcohol, it is your business if you choose to drink. But, if you choose to drink and drive, then it becomes my business and that of everyone else on the road. Drink driving is not merely a sin, it is a crime and can and does lead to serious accidents including death to innocent people.

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How Do You Think Eco Terrorists Should Be Dealt With?

by minimus in

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friends

recently, some activists decided to interrupt a train that was delivering coal.

police were called and 10 hours later the activists were dispersed.

it’s not unusual now to see picketers close down a bridge or a street for “climate change “.

WTWizard

And what about those who are responsible for holding back technology in the first place? They need to lose their protection as "God's chosen people"--the whole organization. You cannot call out these people because you will be deemed "anti-semite" or something along those lines, or "against god". The vatican, the seat of the cat lick church that has been holding back science since its inception, simply has to go. As do those who are working to bring the reptilians on this earth--by heating the planet up and then blaming the common people. They need the worst punishment possible--and being humane is the least of my worries with these.

For the regular people that are trying to halt the technology we are allowed from being used, they need to be held accountable as well. Disorderly conduct charges would probably suffice, plus they should pay reparations for whatever damage they cause and for making people late for work or school (or whatever else). The leaders, and especially if they are doing more to hold back society and using this as a blind, deserve harsher penalties (and even harsher if they try hiding behind some political correctness bulls***).