Posts by flipper

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Why do so many that leave wind up coming back?!

by nowwhat? in

i have seen so many that have left.

and their life turned into a dumpster fire.

most do not live the average life of living in suburbs, raising a family.

flipper

As some of you mentioned here - JW's are taught and indoctrinated to be totally afraid of the real world. Due to WT indoctrination they are totally alienated from the real world and fearful of becoming too involved in it. They're told lies about how " evil " or " bad " non-JW's are ; when in reality there are MANY great people on this planet , many of them make much better friends than we had inside the JW cult.

Some exiting JW people become the WT Society's own self fulfilling prophecy. What I mean is if you are told enough times that " bad, terrible things " are going to happen to you once you leave the cult - then you are already leaning that way, or conditioned to think that only bad will happen if you leave the JW cult. Just like a teenager who gets told by abusive parents that " you're no good '' or " you never do anything right " , the teenager goes out and becomes as bad as the parents say because his failure is their prediction. So he lives up to the low expectations set by abusive parents. I think it's like that in the JW cult. It's like the book The Peter Principle where everybody rises to their own level of incompetence . It's predicted to happen from people's superiors, then they help it happen.

Doesn't have to be that way though. So many exiting JW's go back to the cult because they do not educate themselves about cult mind control. Even being disfellowshipped they are not aware that they were " mind controlled " and so never lose their belief system of the WT Society indoctrination as their brain neurotransmitters are only trained to think in " JW speak " . So then, they return back to the cult rinsing and repeating the cult abuse that happens to them. Kind of the way I see this. Unless a person totally loses the JW cult thinking- they are in danger of returning to familiar religious abuse

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Oregon: JW sexual abuse suspect arrested

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.kptv.com/story/37498850/sheriff-jehovahs-witness-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-in-clackamas-co. .

sheriff: jehovah's witness sexual abuse suspect arrested in clackamas co.. posted: feb 13, 2018 5:39 pm cstupdated: feb 13, 2018 6:21 pm cst.

by fox 12 staff.

flipper

LIZD- Kudos to you for doing the right thing, the ethical thing, the law abiding thing in protecting those children. You are a hero and I'm so sorry that you experienced these abuses growing up. This world needs more people like you who will stand up and protect children. Good for you, take care, Mr. Flipper

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Has this quote on hatred been true in your experience with JW's?

by Wasanelder Once in

i came upon this quote relating to the results of hatred: .

"i imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.

has your hatred of the organization been an effort to avoid dealing with your pain?

flipper

WAS- Great thread, very good and interesting points you make and others are making here. Having been born and raised in the JW cult since birth and exiting 15 years ago at age 44 I think I can offer a perspective.

As far as us ex-JW's having anger - I believe that our anger is justified. I'm not saying to be crazy with anger or go nuts losing our balance in life- however we were duped by an unscrupulous, manipulative group of men running the WT Society and wasted many years of our life for a pipe dream. That's bound to bring some anger into our lives , and depending on how deeply that anger and sadness is affecting our enjoyment of life- some of us may need therapy with a good counselor to get over that.

I feel having anger and sadness is a natural processing of the pain. With time it subsides but it leaves a scar within us that may cause varying levels of PTSD. Takes time to heal for sure. Everyone's speed in healing is different.

I think this quoted statement in your opening post, " I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be FORCED TO DEAL WITH PAIN . " Or I might add - reality.

I believe we can apply this statement to active JW's who shun us ! They hate US so badly because if they lost their indoctrinated hate of ex-JW's , then they'd be forced to deal with their own pain of being lied to by WT leaders and they'd have to face reality for what it is - that the JW and WT belief systems are all a bunch of lies used to control them. So I feel this quote might be really accurate when used towards active, believing JW's. Just my 2 cents here

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Any X JWs in the Monmouth County area of NJ?

by ttdtt in

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friends

looking for friends, since i have lost them all.message me if you are..

flipper

TTDTT- I'll PM you me and my wife's contact info if you'd like to communicate through E-mail or phone ! Check your pm's

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How is life better?

by Freedom rocks in

i know this thread has probably been covered in the past but i thought it would be nice for newbies and lurkers and just a reminder to those that left a while ago.. how has your life improved since leaving the cult?

are you happy?

have you made some amazing friends or maybe met an amazing partner in the world?.

flipper

I've had a much more satisfying life since exiting the Witnesses. Got married to a wonderful companion about 12 years ago , beautiful lady I met on E-harmony. She's been very supportive to me in the ups and downs of being an ex-JW. My son and me have developed a closer friendship and relationship these last 15 years or so, as we both exited the cult about the same time back then, and I consider him one of my best friends. My self employed business is doing very well as I take on as much work as I can handle because now- I don't have to worry about meetings, field service, and the WT worship Society clogging up my time and life.

Also I've been playing guitar, banjo, mandolin and writing songs and selling them on the Internet , recording albums, occasionally doing open mics and performances. Music is a healer and about 7 years ago I dove right in and it's a huge part of my life now. I really enjoy my down time when not working and either tend our vegetable garden or play & write music, go on hikes in the mountains with my wife, son, or my black lab dog. Love to read history or psychology books, my wife and I read together a lot.

Life is magical these past 15 years out of the JW cult. Feel like I've grown as a person and matured psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually even though I'm not religious. I get my spirituality from being out in the mountains seeing and being near lakes, rivers, streams, trees, wild life , animals, birds, all of that. And music and meditation. I'm not into organized religion at all- just personal happiness and self improvement. Also get spirituality from music as well.

I miss my adult JW daughters but I try to call them, and they never return my calls, even though I'm not dfed. I just hope that one day their eyes will open up about the JW cult. I'll always be there for them waiting- if and when that time comes. But I'm not going to sacrifice my principles and beliefs by supporting a JW organization that's corrupt- just to live a fake, pretend life in the WT organization. Much happier being real. It's the only way I can live

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Being a JW kid is hell

by JRK in

in therapy, i was told i should write a letter of grievances to each of my parents.

i really do not have any for my mother, except for things that directly relate to being raised as a jehovah's witness.

upon reflection, my childhood was hell because of the religion and its pernicious corruption of a normal childhood.

flipper

Hey my friend, therapy is SO important, glad to hear it's helping you. I went through some counseling sessions after my mom died in December of 2016 , and 3 sessions of an hour and a half were extremely helpful in talking to my counselor. Helped me to deal with anger issues I had towards my older dad and older brother in how they warehoused my mom in a senior care facility the final two years of her life.

Helped me to see how the JW cult stole away their true feelings of empathy and why their emotions were stifled in silence and lack of expression. My therapist showed me how to display civility towards my dad in his final months of life before he died so that I would have no regrets and feel better about myself in calling him to just check on his health. I did this and it made me feel a lot better and tie up loose ends regarding my dad and my brother. Take care buddy, I'm with you, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Roll Call for the benefit of Newbies and Lurkers. In One Sentence tell why you left the Org.

by Wasanelder Once in

roll call for the benefit of newbies and lurkers.

in one sentence tell why you left the org.

not 2 sentences.

flipper

I exited due to injustices from elders committed towards myself and others in the organization and discovered there is no such thing as " holy spirit " appointing these men to their positions

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Remark at memorial about growing annointed numbers

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

don’t know if it was part of the script.. at the memorial the remark about growing annointed numbers including this numbers from 2015 to 2017 was made (from 13.000 to 18.000+).. reason for the growing numbers could be:.

- feeling annointed because of former believe.

- psychical reasons.

flipper

Didn't the number of partakers , those claiming to be of the anointed used to be about 5,000 or so about 20 years ago ? Now it's 18,000 ? Amazing. Lots of anointed up in heaven must be screwing around proving unfaithful getting dfed - so the GB has received new light that the door is being opened up again for prospective rulers ! ( Joking )

The GB will pull any reason out of their anus to make anything work

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Time Gained by Leaving JW World

by Farmer Jim1 in

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friends

does anyone else wonder at the amount of time a person immediately gains when they leave the jws?.

just today, a sunday, i would have woken up at 7, frantically taken a highlighter pen to my wt to make it look like i had made a deep study of it.

packed my stuff for meeting and ministry, cycled to the kh, joined the pre meeting ministry arrangement, rushed back for the meeting, sat through a sometimes interesting public talk, sometimes mind-numbingly dull one, strained through a wt study to which i usually had more questions than answers.

flipper

Great thread Farmer Jim , thanks for posting it . Very well put. I was born into and raised a JW until I finally escaped over 15 years ago in 2003. Left at age 44 .Hoser's statement, " Over an average lifetime attending assemblies and conventions will cost you more than one year of your time. " I disagree with that, way too short of an estimate of how much time a person loses.

Because EVERYTHING we did as JW's, waking up in the morning being forced from elder fathers to listen to the daily text, attending meetings constantly, field service several times a week, pioneering every day, doing the " personal study " or actually WT indoctrination study daily in our own homes - that took up ( aside from sleeping 8 hours a night ) virtually ALL of our time when we were not working on our jobs. I would venture to say a minimum of 30 % to 50% or 60 % of our waking hours were spent with our minds and activities being clogged up with WT cult activities.

Some on the board over the years dwell on how much time we lost being trapped in the mind control cult Jehovah's Witnesses, yet it's nice to see a thread where the glass is looked at as half full, not half empty where we actually look at it as GAINING time by leaving the cult and being able to experience a vast variety of experiences in furthering our education, job opportunities, hobbies, playing music, doing sports activities, having closer unconditional friendships and relationships without being judged, the gains have far outweighed the disadvantages as far as I'm concerned. Kind of how I see it. Good thread, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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After leaving the JWs - Has anyone stayed with Christianity?

by rulehayl in

i recently made the decision to stop studying with my study conductor, due to a situation i found myself in that led to a high possibility of my unbaptized publisher "rights" being taken away from me.

i have since told my study conductor i have joined a new church (to which she dropped me like a hot rock, of course).... last time i posted on here, i was progressing nicely towards baptism, and was well into it.anyhoo, i like my new church, very hillsong-esqe.

so just wondering if anyone else has stayed the course of christianity after leaving the jws, and if so - where did you go?

flipper

Here's another link dealing with secular humanism :

https://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php/13.