Posts by flipper

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My Introduction - An ex-elder's story of waking up later in life.

by doubtfull1799 in

background:.

my parents got the “truth” while i was in primary school.

i was baptised at 14. i loved school and was extremely studious.

flipper

DOUBTFUL 1799- Welcome to the forum and freedom of mind and critical thinking ability. Actually - your story is very similar to many folks on this board. And that's a good thing as you can benefit from the wealth of experience from folks here on the board who have experienced an awakening as well after being trapped inside the JW organization.

I was born and raised in the JW's and escaped over 13 years ago at age 44 . It's a long process of re-educating ourselves psychologically, emotionally, and physically to overcome mind control we received from the WT Society- but the ability to think for ourselves clearly once again without WT pollution clouding our minds is well worth the effort. If you get a chance to read all of Steve Hassan's books on cult mind control and how it infects people's minds- those books were a great help to me in exiting the Witnesses. His website is : www.freedomofmind.com. I highly recommend his books. It helps a person to understand HOW high control organizations like the Jehovah's Witnesses or Scientology are able to control our minds. Take care , and please remember we are here as a support to you as well ! Hang in there, peace out, Mr. Flipper

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What is your opinion of the news media?

by minimus in

to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

flipper

My opinion of the media is the same as put down in the constitution by our forefathers in the United States. There should be freedom of the press. In any country that promotes a democratic society- there should be freedom of the press. So people are allowed to see alternative views and then make informed decisions based on information.

In Trumps world view - by saying that the press is " the enemy " - he's promoting a totalitarian, dictatorship type of view of the press - essentially saying any of the press which disagrees with him is considered " fake news " or " dangerous " - much like the way the WT Society tries to have information control on it's JW followers in not allowing them to have access to information that disagrees with WT leaders and their views.

Trump is heading down a dangerous pathway I feel in trying to disempower the news media so his agenda ( whatever the hell that is, it changes from day to day ) can be met. But the way he verbally lambasts the U.S. allies- countries who have been our friends , yet at the same time seems to favor Putin in Russia - I wouldn't be surprised at all to see that Trump wants an eventual alliance with Russia to double up the power play on countries to get oil and totalitarian power. It's just too strange to see Trumps vice president trying to secure peaceful relations with Nato and Europe- while Trump seems to work in opposite directions. Stay tuned folks- this is going to be a bumpy ride. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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Hit by a car evacuating due to oroville dam. Ever been hit?

by Wasanelder Once in

went back to get info from driver who tapped our car in line of cars exiting the area.

after getting her info, she waited till i walked back to our car and punched the gas, hitting me.

then drove off.

flipper

Wasanelderonce- I can see what made you be very careful in this situation. My theory of this lady being on meth was correct then. Watch your back and continue to be careful my friend. Take care and hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Hit by a car evacuating due to oroville dam. Ever been hit?

by Wasanelder Once in

went back to get info from driver who tapped our car in line of cars exiting the area.

after getting her info, she waited till i walked back to our car and punched the gas, hitting me.

then drove off.

flipper

Wasanelder- My god man ! That's crazy ! And shows how insane people are out there these days. ( Must have been a Trump supporter ) I wonder if she was hopped up on meth ? That area is well known to be a heavy " tweaker " area.

So your hand was broken ? I hope your hand ends up being O.k. ! I'm so sorry to hear this. I've never been run down by a human nut job- in November of 2015 I was hit in the side by a freaking 250 lb. 6 point buck deer that damn near could have killed me at 60 MPH. If it had gone through my windshield- but it ran straight into my left front side near my car tire crashing the left front end and shattering the headlight. I got a $ 6,000 settlement and was able to fix the truck- was lucky I was not hurt at all.

If you'd be guaranteed that the cops would put this freak away for awhile in jail- I'd press charges, but you never know how soon she'd be out again. Then if you see her in town again- no telling what she'd do next time. Something to think about. I would make sure you get the maximum insurance $$$ for not only your pain and suffering in the vehicle situation but the huge headache you'll have to go through in medical damage to your hand and possible rehab to get your hand fixed . Go for the jugular - you may have to get an attorney on top of the Insurance company - or instead of. I wish you the best. Hang in there friend, if you need any help at all I'm about an hour away from you - would be glad to help out . Hang in there my friend

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Self Brainwashing

by OnTheWayOut in

so i would love to hear and make more comments here on how "self-brainwashing" is done in jehovah's witnesses and how it becomes a problem when trying to wake up our loved ones.leah remini was on bill maher's show on friday, feb. 17th.

she had some great comments about things said on her series about scientology.

one was how members are "self-brainwashing" because they spend some hours every day doing self-study.

flipper

Great thread my friend, thanks for posting it. My wife and I watched this interview the other night , and I just watched it again on your you tube to remember some points. Really good interview.

I feel the self brainwashing by JW's is done even if they never pre-study or underline any answers in their WT magazines. Just by BEING at and ATTENDING the meetings their minds get indoctrinated from the WT Society's " world view " of everything. For instance : If WT says inactive or dfed JW's are " dangerous" to them - then this message gets drilled into rank & file JW's neurotransmitters in their brain through fear indoctrination and it becomes not just a psychological type of mind control- but really a physiological type of mind control that will not leave a JW's brain until they are completely, totally away from meetings, service, commenting- the whole 9 yards. Until that happens- the WT indoctrination will remain within that person depending on how much either a greater extent with more WT exposure or a lesser extent if the exposure becomes minimal.

The danger is that the WT Society CHANGES meanings of words - just like Scientology does. For example : The word " worldly " in the REAL world has a positive connotation denoting someone who is worldly wise or educated, informed, savvy, a person who has been around and isn't easily duped. In the WT world- the term " worldly " is looked at as negative - someone who is immoral, dangerous, Satan inspired, demonic, disapproved by God, someone who will turn a JW away from what they perceive as " the truth " . So- therefore the cultish , paranoid JW behavior is understandable with THAT kind of indoctrination. Which has no bearing in reality.

Which makes it difficult to reach JW's because as Leah stated cult members are " under this spell of doing good for the world " . Which is exactly how the WT Society controls JW's - that they THINK they are " doing good " when in fact the reality is the message the WT Society wants them to spread actually divides, splits, and tears families apart into shreds until there is no united family at all. Same as the Scientologists. It's a fake message in which hopes promised- never get realized. Anyway- just some ideas and thoughts there, kind of how I see it having been born and raised in this crap since birth and exiting 14 years ago. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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What did President Trump say about Sweden?

by kpop in

this you will never see on the mainstream media.

before you comment watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

flipper

Trump's just upset because he couldn't get any in Sweden

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Reopenmind is having a brithday tomorrow

by Still Totally ADD in

jw
friends

happy brithday my dear wife.

what a lucky man i am to have you as my life mate.

i am so happy we are free from this damm cult.

flipper

Happy Birthday Reopened Mind from Mr. & Mrs. Flipper . Hope you folks have a great celebration and lots of fun ! Take care, peace out, Mr. & Mrs. Flipper

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jehovah witness elder molest his daughter ... Lynn Gardner

by jaydee in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boizyklif4q.

flipper

JAYDEE- Thanks for posting this. Really disgusting the abuse this poor woman had to experience. She is very courageous to tell her story and advise other abuse victims to go to the police. It's totally obvious that her story was difficult to tell for her as she came close to breaking down a couple times while sharing it. I hope other abuse victims will gain courage to come forward like her and expose this criminal organization.

FISHERMAN- Your not accepting this woman's story is just another proof of insensitivity and lack of compassion that many JW's were indoctrinated with. " A sad story, but that is all it is. " ????? Come on now. How would YOU have liked being sexually abused yourself as a child growing up ? Do you think what this lady went through was inconsequential ? And who gives a damn if you believe it or not ? Who died and made you king ? Your lack of sensitivity IS an insult to other victims of sexual or violent child abuse. It's insensitive people like you that always come on here defending the WT Society and their criminal ways. Get a grip

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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.

by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .

the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.

flipper

It's what Eden One stated, " If the plaintiff didn't have a case, the Watchtower wouldn't make a settlement. " End of story. Pretty simple. Some pontificators on the thread try to make it more complicated than it is in order to muddy the waters of who is responsible.

Bottom line is this : Since the WT Society is raking in millions $$$ right now from sales of real estate properties and consolidating kingdom halls across the planet- naturally these funds are going to be used in part to settle thousands of child abuse lawsuits around the world out of court with accompanying gag orders on the victims to make sure the Internet or any news media online or via television won't air it that much to " preserve " the alleged " reputation " of the WT Society to the general public and it's own members. WT leaders don't want to be on the mainstream news every night about child abuse - so they'll take whatever financial maneuvers possible to avoid that scenario. Pretty twisted- but accurate. They don't want hundreds or thousands of Candace Conti type fires to have to put out in the mainstream media. That's a criminal organization in action to preserve it's 138 years worth of delusion of themselves AND the public

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Another Burnt Out Elder

by Spoletta in

young elder(mid-thirties) in my congregation stepped down last night.

nicest guy, with two lovely kids, a great supportive wife.. it got to be too much, as the other elders are practically useless, let him do all the hard work, while they did all the "important" stuff.

literally ran him ragged.. he's still in good standing, gave the final prayer.

flipper

Nice to hear that another elder quit being an elder. The WT Society burns these guys out as slaves to the maximum and doesn't really care HOW burned out they get - as long as they " obey " and put WT functions first. There is zero empathy shown these guys from the WT leaders. One reason I NEVER became an elder- I was not a brown noser and I didn't play politics or kiss up to anybody- I still don't. I hope more of these guys step down