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Some apostates are coming across as crazed psychopaths

by jambon1 in

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i'm not sure whether or not my view on this is correct so please leave your input.

in recent months i've been viewing youtube videos.

again, it might just be my view but there has been an increased amount of random people grabbing a camera and doing vlogs.

flipper

Good thread. I just believe there are certain ways to communicate with people so that yes- you can voice your opinion - but do it in a way where it still leaves the other persons dignity intact by trying to show respect . There is NO reason to get loud and boisterous and cause a huge scene which tends to diminish you and your message you are trying to get across in the first place.

When I talk with JW's - wherever- at a coffee shop, JW cart, my goal is to get them to think about what they are being taught , and to get them to realize that whether it's child abuse , shunning, whatever- these are things that are damaging in nature that destroy and hurt families, human relationships - and I usually ( not always ) but usually , draw comparisons to these very same things going on in other churches who are also allowing child abuse or shunning to occur in their churches. This way- the JW doesn't feel like THEIR church is being singled out as " evil " or " corrupt " and by way of comparison after the conversation and the JW goes back to his or her home- THEN in the privacy of their own home at that time with their dignity intact having been respected by me if they so choose- they can research on the Internet anything I've mentioned to see if it's accurate.

I think the EX-Jw's that go crazy don't realize that cramming information down someone's throat without giving them a chance to DECIDE on their own - is a detrimental thing to do and not effective. At least not effective if you're honestly trying to reach these JW's. Otherwise it's like the old expression- the EX-JW acting this way is just cutting his or her nose off to spite their own face. Useless. And actually a waste of time

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Rank & File Reaction to Leah Remini Series

by freemindfade in

wife and i have watched the whole series and just finished episode 7 last night.

personally, i am seeing a great deal more subtle and day to day similarities to watchtower than the obvious ones i already knew existed, ie shunning.

very eye opening and heartbreaking, even more so than going clear in my mind.

flipper

Good thread my friend. My wife and I have watched every episode as well- I think it's excellent too and agree with you that it's even more effective than " Going Clear " was in that it gets even deeper into how Scientology rips apart families by disclosing this through personal interviews with Scientology victims- some who were not even high up in the church or well known- but like the recent episode the young man who was smeared was a worker for the church whom the church ruined his life by refusing him psychiatric help- then he got thrown into prison. Nice folks ? Not.

The emotion laden first hand stories by these people who were abused at ALL levels of the church- seeing their tears , hearing their pain, and then crying along with them as I watch it- brings back all kinds of inner pain for me as well realizing my older JW family in the JW cult has treated me similarly through the years by essentially cutting me off. Yet in a strange way - it's been a healing for me as well because it makes me more determined to draw closer to my nieces and nephews who have exited the JW cult and helps me realize more clearly who on this god forsaken planet really loves me. Been questioning that a lot in my own mind since my own mom's death.

That being said - in answer to your opening thread- I believe that JW's who are sitting on the fence who have doubts - the JW's that are kind of in it, but kind of not in it - Leah Remini and Mike Rinders expose' of Scientology will do a lot of good for these kind of folks. These kind of JW's are already opening their minds and some I've talked to refuse to shun their relatives who aren't JW's. The show will help THAT kind of person who is having doubts already.

But JW's like my older devout JW family- I seriously doubt it - they are so deeply steeped in the JW cult that they can't see straight . I might just try to bring it up to one of them out of sheer morbid curiosity to see what they'll say- and I'll get back to you on this thread. Thanks for posting this, great thread. Take care bud, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Last installment of the Scientology series tonight on A & E

by nonjwspouse in

10 pm est on arts and entertainment channel.

where leah began with the idea of just a few shows, i think she is now taking this on for "as long as it takes".

she is in that mode of being outraged that what she believed in so long is such a lie she wants to shout it from the rooftops, and get people to notice.

flipper

My wife and I watched this episode on xfinity on demand tonight. Really a great episode. The abuse the Scientologists dole out to members who leave and on their families is horrific and disgusting. I really admire Leah Remini and Mike Rinder for exposing this criminal organization as they are doing a great service to the public . I hope there will be many more shows

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Not one visit, 8 years in a nursing home, and not one visit!

by Raymudas Martini in

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my dad{rip}, was a faithful jw since the year i was born, i'm 60, he died 2 years ago.

his last 12 years were spent in an assisted living/nursing home right in the small town where he spent the last 8 years of being an elder/pioneer.

when he went into the home, one brother would visit him regularly, but after 4 years, that friend moved away, and visitation from the locals ceased, for 8 years!!!!!!!

flipper

LEVELTHEPLAYINGFIELD- Yeah, exactly it was a really weird discussion when we had this " family discussion " about where my mom would live. I actually laughed out loud at my JW sister when she said " the medical staff is worldly and they'll steal from mom and dad if they assist mom at their home " . I said, " Come on ! Get real. These are professionally paid medical personnel representing their company. Do you think they are going to jeopardize their jobs or their companies reputation by " stealing " from our parents ? " I continued, " That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. " My JW older relatives had no trust whatsoever of non-JW people helping my mom in her own home. Most outlandish thing I've ever heard. I was so frustrated - I could have shit a brick right there on the spot

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Trump names son-in-law as Chief White House advisor.

by AFRIKANMAN in

donald trump on monday named son-in-law jared kushner as senior white house advisor, rewarding the man widely credited as the brains behind his election but courting serious legal and ethical concerns..

the baby-faced real estate developer and magazine publisher who turns 36 on tuesday, will be the youngest top member of the administration, working closely with chief of staff reince priebus and chief strategist steve bannon..

"jared has been a tremendous asset and trusted advisor throughout the campaign and transition and i am proud to have him in a key leadership role in my administration," announced the republican president-elect..

flipper

This decision should definitely be seen as a " conflict of interest. " It's ridiculous

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Nov '16 Study Edition Watchtower - OBEY, scum!

by punkofnice in

sorry about the quality, but if you knew the tech i was using you'd be happified............. .

flipper

Thanks for posting this Punk. Absolutely disgusting. ANY kind of negative actions or comments against the organization by current JW's or EX-JW's is looked at by the WT Society as insubordination and rebellion. Even dating someone who is not a JW.

My wife who is not a JW said, " it's obvious what the WT is doing. Cutting people off from their families through control. "Exactly. The more WT leaders can conquer and divide with stupid ass rules- the more their rule over JW's through fear and intimidation will work. You can only hope that JW's who are sitting on the fence will decide to jump to the side of freedom of mind off of the fence and leave this criminal organization. Control, control, control. I mean enough is enough- how much control can a normal person take ? They want to do all they can to isolate their JW members so they won't hear about all the WT crap going on. Take care Punk, Happy New year to you. Peace out, Mr. flipper

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Don't let the sun go down on me.

by The Rebel in

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in appreciation of david bowie who died a year ago today.

also to george michael and all the other less famous people ( mouthy, school friend.

my aunt.

flipper

Good thread Rebel, thanks for posting. I raise a toast personally to my mom who died a little over a month ago. Aside from my wife and son- one of my greatest friends I've ever had in my life. A wonderful human being who influenced me greatly- and made me everything that I am as a person today. I learned so much from her.

And a toast indeed to David Bowie whose music inspired me as well as his personality. A few months ago I already had a dream in which Bowie was playing some haunting beautiful tunes in my dream and it influenced me to write a new song based on what I recalled from the dream titled " Ancestry Walls we Weave " .

And a toast to all the beautiful people that passed in 2016. Gene Wilder ,etc . The list goes on and on. Rest well friends

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Not one visit, 8 years in a nursing home, and not one visit!

by Raymudas Martini in

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my dad{rip}, was a faithful jw since the year i was born, i'm 60, he died 2 years ago.

his last 12 years were spent in an assisted living/nursing home right in the small town where he spent the last 8 years of being an elder/pioneer.

when he went into the home, one brother would visit him regularly, but after 4 years, that friend moved away, and visitation from the locals ceased, for 8 years!!!!!!!

flipper

RAYMUDAS- My deepest condolences to you on the loss of your dear father and what this criminal cult did to him. The picture at the top of page 4 that Calebs Airplane posted ( thanks for posting Caleb ) is a VERY accurate picture of what I saw the last almost 3 years of my mom's life visiting her in care facilities. The despair and hopelessness on these older folks faces is absolutely heartbreaking. Like my mom experienced- these people know they are trapped, will never be allowed to go home ( like my mom used to tell me she felt she was in " jail " like she was being punished. She always wanted to move back to her home. )

Suffering under these conditions not being at their own home what many of these older folks need is somebody to at LEAST visit, to show them that they matter to somebody. We all need love - and especially do older ones when they've been " warehoused " into a living condition that they did not want to be in. I feel like my mom would have done better if she had in-home care come to her where she could have still lived at her own house- but that decision was taken away from her by older JW males in my family. I tried the best I could to influence them to let her get help at home- but my dad would not allow " worldly " people to stay with them at their house as my older sister said, " the worldly medical staff will steal from mom and dad. " All I could do was shake my head in wonderment. And to this day it frustrates me that my recommendations were ignored by my JW family.

So everybody here- when you see or know an older person- take the time to get to know them. Sincerely show them attention because they are already feeling like they don't matter anymore- like an old banjo that's been put into the corner- unused. And mind control cults like Jehovah's Witnesses don't do anything to make older folks feel needed. I miss my mom everyday since she died - at least she can rest knowing that some of her family tried to respect and help her

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20/20 special about scientology with a representative!

by nonjwspouse in

i just ran across it on abc.

a scientology representative is discussing leah remini and others.

the representative is such a spinner.

flipper

My wife and I watched this as well. Both Leah Remini and Mike Rinder did well in their interviews exposing the Scientology and like Long Hair Gal stated- naturally- the Scientology attorney just made lame ass excuses for David Miscavige denying everything that Remini and Rinder brought up. It did seem like a GB member being defensive for the WT Society. But it's great Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are getting this out into the public more so - as it will start making people think of how seemingly outwardly religions might look " respectable " but what happens on the inside behind closed doors is way more criminal and unethical

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Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?

by NikL in

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my wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.

not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.

at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.

flipper

In watching this latest episode where the ex-Scientologist cried for the lost years he shunned his brother and cried about his brothers death. I was sitting there crying for him- but in a way I felt I was crying over my strained relationships with my own JW siblings that have been lost for years now. I am so different from my JW family- it's like day and night.

I swear to god- sometimes I think I had an alien father impregnate my mom years ago because SHE is the only person in my family that I was like in personality. Trying to be kind . The rest of my JW immediate family act like a pack of wolverines. It's incredible. I definitely relate to what this man experienced in this particular scientology episode ( P.S. Everybody hug each other today- O.K. ? ) Hugs are good.