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Nov '16 Study Edition Watchtower - OBEY, scum!

by punkofnice in

sorry about the quality, but if you knew the tech i was using you'd be happified............. .

flipper

Thanks for posting this Punk. Absolutely disgusting. ANY kind of negative actions or comments against the organization by current JW's or EX-JW's is looked at by the WT Society as insubordination and rebellion. Even dating someone who is not a JW.

My wife who is not a JW said, " it's obvious what the WT is doing. Cutting people off from their families through control. "Exactly. The more WT leaders can conquer and divide with stupid ass rules- the more their rule over JW's through fear and intimidation will work. You can only hope that JW's who are sitting on the fence will decide to jump to the side of freedom of mind off of the fence and leave this criminal organization. Control, control, control. I mean enough is enough- how much control can a normal person take ? They want to do all they can to isolate their JW members so they won't hear about all the WT crap going on. Take care Punk, Happy New year to you. Peace out, Mr. flipper

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Don't let the sun go down on me.

by The Rebel in

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in appreciation of david bowie who died a year ago today.

also to george michael and all the other less famous people ( mouthy, school friend.

my aunt.

flipper

Good thread Rebel, thanks for posting. I raise a toast personally to my mom who died a little over a month ago. Aside from my wife and son- one of my greatest friends I've ever had in my life. A wonderful human being who influenced me greatly- and made me everything that I am as a person today. I learned so much from her.

And a toast indeed to David Bowie whose music inspired me as well as his personality. A few months ago I already had a dream in which Bowie was playing some haunting beautiful tunes in my dream and it influenced me to write a new song based on what I recalled from the dream titled " Ancestry Walls we Weave " .

And a toast to all the beautiful people that passed in 2016. Gene Wilder ,etc . The list goes on and on. Rest well friends

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Not one visit, 8 years in a nursing home, and not one visit!

by Raymudas Martini in

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my dad{rip}, was a faithful jw since the year i was born, i'm 60, he died 2 years ago.

his last 12 years were spent in an assisted living/nursing home right in the small town where he spent the last 8 years of being an elder/pioneer.

when he went into the home, one brother would visit him regularly, but after 4 years, that friend moved away, and visitation from the locals ceased, for 8 years!!!!!!!

flipper

RAYMUDAS- My deepest condolences to you on the loss of your dear father and what this criminal cult did to him. The picture at the top of page 4 that Calebs Airplane posted ( thanks for posting Caleb ) is a VERY accurate picture of what I saw the last almost 3 years of my mom's life visiting her in care facilities. The despair and hopelessness on these older folks faces is absolutely heartbreaking. Like my mom experienced- these people know they are trapped, will never be allowed to go home ( like my mom used to tell me she felt she was in " jail " like she was being punished. She always wanted to move back to her home. )

Suffering under these conditions not being at their own home what many of these older folks need is somebody to at LEAST visit, to show them that they matter to somebody. We all need love - and especially do older ones when they've been " warehoused " into a living condition that they did not want to be in. I feel like my mom would have done better if she had in-home care come to her where she could have still lived at her own house- but that decision was taken away from her by older JW males in my family. I tried the best I could to influence them to let her get help at home- but my dad would not allow " worldly " people to stay with them at their house as my older sister said, " the worldly medical staff will steal from mom and dad. " All I could do was shake my head in wonderment. And to this day it frustrates me that my recommendations were ignored by my JW family.

So everybody here- when you see or know an older person- take the time to get to know them. Sincerely show them attention because they are already feeling like they don't matter anymore- like an old banjo that's been put into the corner- unused. And mind control cults like Jehovah's Witnesses don't do anything to make older folks feel needed. I miss my mom everyday since she died - at least she can rest knowing that some of her family tried to respect and help her

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20/20 special about scientology with a representative!

by nonjwspouse in

i just ran across it on abc.

a scientology representative is discussing leah remini and others.

the representative is such a spinner.

flipper

My wife and I watched this as well. Both Leah Remini and Mike Rinder did well in their interviews exposing the Scientology and like Long Hair Gal stated- naturally- the Scientology attorney just made lame ass excuses for David Miscavige denying everything that Remini and Rinder brought up. It did seem like a GB member being defensive for the WT Society. But it's great Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are getting this out into the public more so - as it will start making people think of how seemingly outwardly religions might look " respectable " but what happens on the inside behind closed doors is way more criminal and unethical

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Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?

by NikL in

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my wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.

not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.

at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.

flipper

In watching this latest episode where the ex-Scientologist cried for the lost years he shunned his brother and cried about his brothers death. I was sitting there crying for him- but in a way I felt I was crying over my strained relationships with my own JW siblings that have been lost for years now. I am so different from my JW family- it's like day and night.

I swear to god- sometimes I think I had an alien father impregnate my mom years ago because SHE is the only person in my family that I was like in personality. Trying to be kind . The rest of my JW immediate family act like a pack of wolverines. It's incredible. I definitely relate to what this man experienced in this particular scientology episode ( P.S. Everybody hug each other today- O.K. ? ) Hugs are good.

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

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it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

flipper

ABELIEVER- You are an owl with glasses whose wings are in time going to be clipped off if you stay affiliated with the Jehovah's Witnesses mindset - as they are a criminal organization that aids and protects child molesters and instructs their elders to report abuses to the WT legal department before reporting offenses to police- if they do at all, many times they don't.

Thousands are dying in the Jehovah's Witness religion due to following the WT Society's instructions to NOT take life saving blood transfusions, even minor children are being killed in this way. Also thousands of people are shunned by their families and are being cut off just because they stop attending meetings without being disfellowshipped. Some of these people commit suicide due to the pain of being shunned.

So if you can support THIS kind of an organization without feeling pain in your conscience over these crimes - then you are an ostrich sticking your head in the sand and not wanting to see reality. I advise you to fly away from this criminal organization while you still have your owl wings - because once you get baptized your wings or freedom gets clipped - and it will be too late- you are under WT control. I would bolt for freedom if I were you and please research the Internet and put some real into your reality. Take care, peace out, Mr. Flipper

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What is freedom to you?

by What is Truth? in

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we always say free choice, the freedom to choose well the ability to choose is freedom and we claim freedom ourselves to the attention that we become aware of our decisions.

well today this year i choose to never step foot in a kh again unless someone died or i have an axe and some gasoline!

who's got a lighter for me?.

flipper

WHAT IS TRUTH ? - Great thread. I agree with you about never stepping foot inside a kingdom hall unless a close relative or friend I knew was a JW died and has a memorial service. Those kingdom halls creep me out big time now.

As regards your question in your thread " What is Freedom to You ? "

My view of freedom is to be able to live my life as I want to live it without being told what or how to think from unethical or corrupt individuals who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground . ( AKA WT Society leaders or any other mind control cult ) . To be able to think, write songs of freedom, speak openly about the rights and freedom of all people without giving a flying poop of what people think or how they judge me.

Also to exercise my freedoms in ways that it allows others to still keep their dignity intact and their freedom of mind intact as well. To openly express my views in a firm, yet respectful manner even though others may differ. And to never allow a group of men or an organization to control my life again where my potential or abilities are wasted and not appreciated. Also freedom to me is openly expressing affection or love for friends, children, marriage partner, or family without fear or reservation of criticism from controlling people. Freedom is to never allow anybody to control me again in my life as I was when enslaved in the mind control cult Jehovah's Witnesses. Freedom to read, explore openly other thought processes and keep an open mind to the world around me to intelligently see what is happening. Staying informed with access to information in a broad manner. That is freedom that can open minds and heal

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Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?

by NikL in

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friends

my wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.

not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.

at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.

flipper

The show that aired on Jan. 3rd was VERY revealing and exposing of the shunning , or the " disconnection " practice put forth by Scientologists towards friends or family that leave the church. It was disgusting that the Scientology church told this one Scientologist that he couldn't go to his deceased brothers funeral because his brother was ex-communicated from the church or a " suppressive " person. So the church even wants them to shun their relatives when they are dead ! Cannot show support even when they die ! Extremely disgusting and extremely like Jehovah's Witnesses. The comparisons are astounding. I felt so sorry for this Ex-Scientologist crying for his brother who died . The years he was disconnected from his brother who left the cult and died- can never be restored or lived again. Very sad. I highly recommend watching this show if you haven't seen it

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Girls are unpredictable, materialist, and use us, men, as a toy - Part 2

by will-be-apostate in

well here am i, a couple of years passed since my original post (link here), somewhat less mysoginistic, more open to relationships, heartbroken again.

this is an official "fuck my life" thread.. being chased by the elders makes one arrive at the conclusion that there is nothing better than not being chased by the elders.

i had a pre-jc meeting a week ago.

flipper

Dude- Hey I'm sorry your heart was broke- but seriously dude- just as many men out in the real world use women up and leave them as well. The games men and women play using sex as a bargaining tool never ends. Some people use sex as a weapon to bash someone's brains apart ( emotionally ) - some people honestly have sex because they actually love and care for the person they are having sex with.

Just because a good number of ladies might be nice to you- doesn't mean they want sex with you- they may just actually want friendship without the balls hanging and croaking , spurting lizard my friend . As you get older and more experienced with female relationships I believe you'll understand that more so.

I had my heart broken several times as a younger man. NOW I'm in my 50's and a lot smarter regarding relationships- finally found a lady over 10 years ago who I clicked with. You'll find it too, just look at the shit you go through as learning experiences and you'll gradually get closer to what you want. Good luck, peace out, MR. Flipper

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Mom died, How and When I found out

by 3rdgen in

hi friends,.

it's been awhile since i've been talkative.

thought i'd give you an account of my latest family dysfunction.. a brief backstory is that i am an only child whose parents were born in jw's.

flipper

3RDGEN- Been out of town a few days and just saw this thread today. I'm so sorry for your loss as I lost my mom about a month ago as well. But I'm even more sorry that your mom was not there for you emotionally or in any other way. I can relate to your experience because my dad was exactly the same way. Nothing I ever did pleased him- just like your mom with you. The mental abuse we suffered in this criminal organization the JW's- is monstrous and nasty.

I found out from my son that apparently my JW brother, an elder, had not told his fellow JW's that he had a younger brother either. Because a " sister " asked my son " who are you " ? And he said " I'm Flipper's son, Flipper's the younger brother of the brother who gave the talk " and the JW lady said, " I didn't know he had a younger brother. " Then my older brother said in front of my son, " Oh yes, he's the " black sheep " of the family. " Nice " Christian " thing to say right ? Yet WHO was it that sat up all night the final 12 hours with my mom dying until her last breath ? Yep- the " black sheep " of the family.

Don't let the bastards grind you down my friend, most of those JW's are clueless, they have no heart and they are jealous of US because they realize they'll never have as much heart as we do. Don't worry about impressing them- they are not worth the effort. They are wolves and jackals. Hang in there, my wife and I are very sorry for your lost years with your mom. With love to you, sincerely, Mr. Flipper & Mrs. Flipper