Posts by flipper

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What is the biggest sexual scandal to hit the top of JW tree ?

by Chook in

elders ,co ,do ,branch overseers ,gb ,missionaries has "sinful" lust got the better of them..

flipper

The Candace Conti WT child abuse case got a ton of media exposure which let the world in on the WT Society's horrid child abuse policies. In 2002 the Dateline program interview with Barbara Anderson was very exposing of WT's criminal dealings towards abused children. Also a woman accused Ted Jaracz of child abuse towards her when he was a District overseer in California in the L.A. area . Jaracz had been mysteriously removed from being a Zone Overseer I believe in Australia for some " offenses " and shipped back to the U.S. in California where he allegedly committed more " offenses " . He was replaced as Zone Overseer by Lloyd Barry in Australia. This happened in the 1960's I believe.

This would help explain Jaracz's continued efforts to hinder or stop the early 1990's Awake articles on child abuse that were published finally by the writing committee in the WT Society. Lloyd Barry finally overpowered Jaracz's efforts to stop these articles from being printed as they were both GB members at the time. This is stuff a typical JW is totally unaware of naturally. Another hint at how upset Jaracz got about WT child abuse being exposed was his angry reply after giving a talk at a convention to a reporter when asked about WT child abuse. There's a you tube showing this Jaracz - reporter altercation.

No doubt it's a high possibility that one reason the WT Society has refused to release the Database file of 23,000 known pedophiles to the Superior courts in San Diego is that it would reveal higher up WT officials up on top of the WT " tree " whose names would get exposed as child molesters in the past and then WT Society would have to answer WHY these men were allowed to stay in high positions of power as WT leaders to authorities. Which might provoke the interest of federal agents of the U.S. government getting involved and then it would be " ballgame over " for WT Society's real estate and money scamming schemes. Of course this is only a theory I have as to the WT Society's willingness to keep paying fines for not revealing the Database file. We will see what happens. I truly hope someday bad Karma comes and bites these WT leaders in the ass. They deserve it. They run a criminal organization. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Russian BOE letters of instruction - meetings and $$$ matter$

by OrphanCrow in

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these letters can be found in the original russian on jwforum.eu.. i will provide links but also copy and paste the english translation that was provided for each one.. this first letter was dated may 21, 2017 and concerns instructions on how to handle the donation$.

(*bolding is mine).

we should not make the same boxes for all groups.

flipper

Translation : Summation of the WT Society's view - " WE don't care if you get stuck and put up in a remote freaking Siberian work camp as a prisoner- you'll have to handle your own legal bills , but by God you better make sure the donations for the worldwide " kingdom " work still keeps coming to us at New York, USA. " Utterly disgusting

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JW Cart encounter

by Listener in

i've seen very few carts in western australia.

the only one i have seen is near the front entrance of the perth royal hospital and on the several occasions that i have seen it, they are there all day, at least during the week.

i've stopped and had long conversations twice now and both times when i have approached them they've told me to take whatever publications interest me and then we've started talking.this last visit i brought up the royal commission.

flipper

LISTENER- You did a fantastic job of exposing this JW organization to this elder and other JW. Really well done talking about the shunning and WT child abuse. I'm sure much of what you said will bounce around inside their heads. You just never know what may happen down the road in getting people to think. It's good you took the time to talk with them, well done. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Do you think the general public cares about former Jehovah's witnesses?

by Christian Gutierrez in

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i was wondering if you guys think if the general public cares about our stories or if they even care what the watchtower does to people??

?.

flipper

The thing that can be annoying to me is when I hear people in the business world I deal in say " oh, we have JW's do work for us and they are so upstanding, such honest people " - going on and on about their " great " qualities due to being a JW. People in the real world just see these allegedly " innocent looking " shiny , happy people knocking on their doors or standing by a cart in their town and look at them as harmless, but weird. They'd rather them NOT call on their doors on Saturday morning. JW's are looked at as an annoying gnat that keeps landing on you when you're hot and sweaty.

To offset this fake " JW's are so good " complex in some non-JW's heads- what I've done is share with them the news reports of child abuse going on within the WT organization explaining how awful the child abuse policies are, I'll talk about the shunning of inactive or dfed relatives or friends, and how they won't give their minor children blood transfusions letting them die. I also mention how they won't let their kids go to college. By sharing any number of these WT atrocities with them , I've been able to put some REAL into non-JW's reality about things they were totally unaware of in the WT organization or JW world. It's worked pretty good actually- people respond and say , " Really ? I didn't realize JW's did that ! " So it's a matter of informing them - in my opinion. They won't hear of it otherwise , unless they research on the Internet. But a conversation exposing JW's faulty policies can spark a curiosity in them to check the Internet and then - boom ! - reality sets in. This isn't an innocent organization

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Witnesses Agree That Institutions That Don’t Report Child Abuse Should Be Fined

by cha ching in

today my husband was on his way to meet a friend.

the purpose of the meeting was to discuss how to have a bill introduced into congress, which would require non-profit institutions to report child abuse to the authorities.

the penalty for not reporting would be a fine.. one of the motives behind this effort, is to raise awareness about child sex abuse.

flipper

Cha Ching- Great thread, thanks for posting . Your hubby did a really good job of making these JW's think. The using of the Catholic church comparison is a fantastic way to make their cognizant dissonance " alarms " start going off in their JW brains. Your husband did a great job of re-directing the conversation and adapting his tactics when initially the JW man said " no comment .

Hell- if this was the former JW " Theocratic Ministry School " your husband would get a 'G' for good in overcoming objections ! LOL . But fortunately for us- this is real life- much more important than a fantasy " ministry school " . Your husband may have made that JW man think outside the WT box for the first time in his life. Great job Mr. Cha Ching

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Wanting Less Involvement (long newbie story)

by DepthsResounding in

i was raised a jw and am currently pioneer in a foreign language congregation.

i have been unhappy on and off with my involvement in this religion and am ready to step back again.

growing up i was always active but extremely reserved and a low hour publisher.

flipper

Just wanted to bump up this newer members introduction thread in case any one missed it

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Finally ready to join the crowd.

by Silent Knight in

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hello, all you damn dirty apostates!

please, allow me to join this community of diseased minds.

i have been lurking here for over 2 years and tonight i decided it's time to come out of the shadows.

flipper

Welcome Silent Knight ! Nice to have you here. Congratulations on gaining your freedom of mind and peace of mind. We are here as a support to you and I offer my friendship to you as well. I exited the JW's at age 44 over 13 years ago- and it's been the most peace I've ever experienced in my life. When I got out- it was like a ton of bricks was lifted off of my shoulders. I can sense you might feel that similar feeling.

But like yourself- I do have extended JW family still in the cult - so it makes it a challenge having to be careful of what I say - or don't say. Welcome to freedom of expression here- and if you ever need any assistance at all - please feel free to ask any of us here. Peace to you my friend, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Will there ever be an apology from GB for going beyond what's written ?

by Chook in

just a simple " we are sorry " .

.

flipper

Never. GB and WT leaders just rationalize and make excuses for their ever changing beliefs, doctrines, and policies. Even if said policies break the law. They " think " they are appointed by " Jesus " himself- so they are legends in their own minds. It's beneath them to apologize. They see no need for it as they are most probably- at least some of them - narcissistic sociopaths. In their own eyes they are right- the rest of the " world " is wrong - end of story

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Wanting Less Involvement (long newbie story)

by DepthsResounding in

i was raised a jw and am currently pioneer in a foreign language congregation.

i have been unhappy on and off with my involvement in this religion and am ready to step back again.

growing up i was always active but extremely reserved and a low hour publisher.

flipper

DEPTHS RESOUNDING- Hey, welcome to the forum ! I know how you feel as I was raised inside the Jehovah's Witness religion from birth and didn't stop attending fully until age 44 back in 2003. The pressure and high control the organization puts on us DOES make us feel like running away- so I totally get that.

We are here as a support for you so keep opening up about your experience you are going through and many of us here who have been where you are at will be more than willing to share experiences we have had in either fading away from meetings and how to handle JW family members still in. It is a challenge. Just be cautious about talking openly about your doubts with active JW family members or others in your congregation or other fellow JW friends you have will use your doubts against you by talking to elders about it- and since you are still living with your parents- they could make your life more difficult than it is already. Keep your counsel to yourself.

Please - if you have any questions at all - or are curious how we exited gracefully by staying off the radar- please feel free to ask anybody here how they accomplished it. And continue to educate yourself by researching the Internet about the power of mind control in high control religious organizations. Steve Hassan has some good books about tactics religions use to control members. And by researching the Internet you will prove to yourself that there isn't much difference in the Jehovah's Witnesses from other apocalyptic religions that have put forth false hopes to it's members - and delivers nothing in return except disappointment.

One thing about it- you are young. In your 30's you have the rest of your life to pursue lots of interests and hobbies or pursuits , even college, that will help you in this REAL life we live. This may be all we get 80 years or so- make the best use of those years in a positive way while you have life flowing through your body ! these last 13 years I've been away from the Witnesses have been the most fulfilling, happy years of my life ! Take care friend, and we are with you here as a support all the way ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Lots of newbies posting! Welcome one and all!

by freddo in

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is there something going on in jaydub land that has brought this on?

hope so!.

flipper

Welcome to all the newbies here ! You are among those of us who have been where you are at - exiting a high control organization. We know it's not easy. We are here as a support to you and understand the paradox you are in. Still - freedom of mind is sweet and freedom of movement is priceless so keep on researching the Internet- don't stop . We'll be here for you - remember