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  My first post

  by thewalker in

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  2. friends

  hi, i just joined the board and wanted to present myself.. i'm active, in fact very active in congregation activities serving "where the need is great" in a foreign language congregation somewhere in western europe.

  as a young brother, i'm seen as an example as i'm doing all a good witness should do.. i had doubts years ago but i decided just to ignore them and move to another congregation to preach more.

  that worked for some years but i'm now at the exact same point.

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  flipper

  The Walker - Very nice to have you here ! Many of us have experienced the same things you have in seeing injustice in the organization and lack of real love. One of the reasons I stopped attending in 2003. Keep doing research on the Internet to discover some of the things going on behind the scenes within the WT Society such as the hiding of criminal child abuse and other injustices committed by WT leaders. You won't find this information at your weekly service meetings for sure. They don't want you to know. Keep informing yourself and research. Take care we are here as a support system to you friend
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  Creepy things jw's have said to you

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's mine: i'm 14 years old, just baptised and a old boy married elder of about 60 odd comes up to me and says " ooooooooooh!

  "purrpurr"!

  your getting such a lovely figure on you!

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  flipper

  Things JW's have said to me that are creepy ?

  A JW former friend of mine said when I told him of the 16 out of court child abuse settlements in California by the WT Society in 2007 he stated, " You know Flipper the news media is ALWAYS talking negative about Jehovah's Witnesses and making stories up persecuting us. " I asked him, " Is the news media making up stories about Baptist church child abuse cases, Mormon or Catholic child abuse cases too ? " He was just quiet. I said, " Maybe there is actual truth to the news stories. Why do you have a persecution complex " ? I asked him. Silence.

  My daughter back in 2008 told me, " Dad, I can't understand HOW you can be so happy since you don't attend meetings anymore since you stopped in 2003 ? " She continued, " I would just be devastated if I stopped attending meetings and be really sad ! " I told her , " I have a lot to be thankful for : good health, a caring and loving wife, grow an organic garden, nice pets, nice place to live , good relationships - why wouldn't I be happy " ? She was just quiet on the other end of the phone. Really strange.

  Another JW elder friend I used to be close to back in 2009 told me this when I explained to him my doubts about the " overlapping generation " WT theory when I told him that in secular dictionaries the definition of the word " generation " denoted a period of about 30 years. His response ? He said, " Yeah but Flipper that's a WORLDLY dictionary's definition of " generation " - the Bible has a different definition. "

  You just can't win with these people I swear. They won't reason beyond their front nose. So those are several experiences I had
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  Jehovah's Witnesses May Have Peaked in Membership at 8 Million (+/-)

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't have all the details of their new "service year" numbers, but i have read enough on jwn to state my opinion pretty strongly.. memorial attendance for 2015 was down.while they kept saying they were going to build a bunch of new kingdom halls, and everybody is still in recovery from watchtower taking all the local money away, they say pretty much that there isn't enough money to build new kingdom halls.putting gb members on the videos at jw .

  org has allowed people to really put a face and personality to these guys and remove the mystery of how they should be such deeply spiritual serious men.

  instead they see silly thoughts about tight pants and, really everything that comes out of lett's mouth is delivered ultra-goofy, along with the money reports.. the gb lost credibility a little more with every new light that shone down, with the strangest one being "overlapping generation.

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  What All Time Jeff said very succinctly. I agree, except that I don't believe the GB is going to change in order to appease the JW's - I feel they are definitely arrogant SOB's who are going to make people continue to tow the WT party line by through use of the shunning " program " and the GB will still be defiant against releasing ANY child abuse scandal information at all in order to avoid self incrimination. I think in time the WT leaders will go down with all guns flaring away defiantly still claiming to be God's alleged " faithful & discreet slave . " It's just that in my 44 years in the JW cult until 2003- I never saw any indication the GB apologizes about anything. They always shift the blame to the rank & file JW's. Anyway- My 2 cents I agree with most everything All Time Jeff states
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  Verify the Audit Checklist/Destruction of Files!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  several people have asked if the audit checklist boe/destruction of files/ can be verified.

  atlantis said that if the previous information was not enough evidence, then i should send you the boe letter where the watchtower admits to sending out the annual audit inspection checklist.. .. write these down:.

  .please see: page 2, number 5. please see: last paragraph on page 3.. please see: page 4 annual audit of files.

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  I agree with Atlantis that the WT leaders are probably trying to destroy evidence - especially regarding child abuse crimes within the JW organization. I mean think about it - Why else would the WT Society rather pay out 13.5 million $$$$ court ordered penalty to the victim of child abuse Gilbert Lopez - than to obey a court order to hand over the 23,0000 pedophile database that the courts demanded or refuse to allow Gerrit Losch to testify in that same case ? Or refuse to even hand over written child abuse policies to the court ? Because there are higher up WT people who have been appointed in positions of oversight AFTER the WT Society already knew they had molested children. So yeah, it makes sense that some of these confidential files on child abuse have been destroyed. as Atlantis said- it doesn't matter WHERE it's happening- this concealment or destruction of facts incriminating the WT leaders has probably happened all over the world
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  Saddest thing about being DFd

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i always enjoyed being kind.

  when someone genuinely needed a hand or what not, it felt good to help family or friends.. i don't really miss them anymore.

  i faded over two years ago, so they long ago shunned me.i think about them less and less and have even forgotten some names.i did enjoy some of the friendships and the association.

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  KAIROS- I totally empathize. I can think of only one or at the most two people who were JW's that I'd consider were " close " friends that I miss - however in talking with them after I stopped attending meetings I found the friendships were totally conditional in that they judged me as " unfit " association once I shared my doubts about the organization.

  Bottom line is I've made some REALLY great friendships with not only folks on this board but other non-JW's who accept me and understand me for the free thinking person that I am - not the mentally constipated cult member I once was.

  It reminds me of the lyrics in a Pink Floyd song off the " Division Bell " album which goes , " So I offer my hand to my enemy and I say ' can we wipe the slate clean ' but they tell me to please go fuck myself - you know you just can't win . "

  Personally I decided not to waste any more time on people who won't accept me for who I am. I'm avoiding all psychological vampires now. Decided to hang with only true friends. I feel so much better with the positivity - avoiding the negativity. Hang in there bud let's talk soon
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  Do you need Art and Music in your life?

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  music and art have been a big part of my life since i was a little boy, and although i was never able to play a decent guitar, i can paint.

  my art teacher from college said " i was the most imaginative and constructive pupil she had ever had.

  " i loved that comment, because in translation i realised it meant i had to work harder than other more naturally talented students, but the effort was always worth it.

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  I definitely relate to music indeed. Watching Punk's you tubes makes me want to go across the water and jam with him ! Music is a healing force for me for sure as I write songs , perform and play guitar and sing as well. Just purchased a 1920's mandolin from an antique store that my local music shop in town fixed up very nicely for me. Learning to play the different chords on the mandolin now- totally different chords than a guitar. Interesting educational process.

  Love art as well - used to collect old original 1920's scenery prints from artists like R. Atkinson Fox and Maxfield Parrish- we still have a lot of them hanging on our walls of western scenery, mountains, hunting prints, fishing prints , Native American prints, waterfalls, rivers, lakes, etc. Collected from 1998 - 2011 or so- ran out of wall space to hang them ! LOL ! Got some good deals on really old prints. Beautiful scenes in art are healing as well. Thanks for starting this thread ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Another child abuse cover up by JW"s

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  source: http://www.centralkynews.com/theinteriorjournal/news/local/stanford/trial-date-set-in-jehovah-s-witness-rape-case/article_1bf73cae-8e00-11e5-8272-cf2fbe492a1a.html.

  stanford the trial of a jehovahs witness accused of raping a 15-year-old girl nearly two decades ago is expected to begin in april.. donovan moore, 53, of 2059 st. michael drive in lexington, was indicted in september on four counts of third-degree rape and four counts of third-degree sodomy for allegedly engaging in sexual intercourse with a juvenile in 1997 and 1998. moore was 35 at the time of the alleged crimes.. lincoln circuit judge jeffrey burdette has scheduled a two-day trial for moore to begin april 27.. .

  moore has been lodged at the lincoln county regional jail since his arrest sept. 30 on a $75,000 full-cash bond.. .

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  flipper

  Whether the perpetrator was 35 and the victim was 15 and she ended up marrying him - child rape is still child rape. It may very well be that the elders or congregation involved with the two families tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug as the news article stated to " save face " in front of the local congregation . The fact that , " Basically the church told her to not report this and keep it in house " definitely indicates irresponsibility on the elders part in covering up a crime. Whether that crime was exposed 18 years later - or not- really makes no difference in my opinion
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  Northern California Elder Charged with Lewd Acts with a Child

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this guy, dale standridge, was the coordinator of the body of elders in the eureka east congregation in humboltd county california.

  http://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2015/11/100000-bail-for-dale-standbridge.html?m=1.

  it's not getting a lot of play in the press for some reason.

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  LISA ROSE- Absolutely sick experience your friend went through trying to warn the engaged woman that her fiancé was a pedophile. I mean it's disgusting how the elders pamper these pedophiles and malign your friend for warning the woman. As my wife wrote we know a lady on the board who tried to warn people and the elders counseled her sternly for bringing it up about a pedophile.

  As you stated the JW's are a " good old boys " club and women and children are treated essentially like meat and things, or objects to be toyed with - but not respected. Makes me so mad that innocent victims have to suffer due to the elders and WT leaders stupidity and arrogance
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  Northern California Elder Charged with Lewd Acts with a Child

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this guy, dale standridge, was the coordinator of the body of elders in the eureka east congregation in humboltd county california.

  http://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2015/11/100000-bail-for-dale-standbridge.html?m=1.

  it's not getting a lot of play in the press for some reason.

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  flipper

  They are so stupid it makes my head spin.

  A good friend told a mother in her congregation about a "brother" being a pedophile. The woman ratted her out to the elders, then made a show of letting the pedophile hang out with her little kids.

  The asinine elders seem to think if they pray with the creep he's cured.

  Mrs. Flipper
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  Where's Mouthy?

  by Village Idiot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's been a while since she's posted.

  i'm hoping she's ok.. for those who are new here mouthy (grace) is our forum's adopted grandma.

  she has been posting here since the beginning.

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  flipper

  Grace is a wonderful person.

  Several years back she put us in touch with a new poster who was very isolated and being treated horribly by the jw congregation for doing the right thing.

  That person has become a dear friend.

  Mrs. Flip