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  Did you learn how to debate in school (or elsewhere)?

  by compound complex in

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  last night i was taking another look at the term "dialectics":.

  the art of investigating or discussing the truth of opinions: discussion; debate; logical reasoning; etc.. the dialectical method is, at base, a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned arguments.. while i intend to do further research on my own, what is your own experience regarding preparation for debate, the do's and don'ts, maintaining your cool, .

  i ask, in part, because i observe that some online debaters present facts and figures and use sound reasoning while maintaining their decorum; many do not.. thank you..

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  humbled

  You have introduced the nitro and the glycerin, Coco. There is discussion and there is debate. Let’s see how it shakes out.

  Your thread is inviting discussion that invites subjective comment. It will be interesting to see if it gets diverted into caustic debate.

  You are inviting others to respectfully probe a topic that defies the use of facts and figures—unless by some means we were able to establish (for instance) the number of posters who abandon discussions -or even this forum -not on account of facts, figures and sound reasoning -but because of what you call a “lack of decorum” that renders discussions null and void of value.

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  Thank you, gentleman Coco. I will try to maintain a ladylike demeanor.
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  My Dissociation letter

  by TJ Curioso in

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  hi to everyone!i was summoned to the judicial committee and went.

  it was a respectful conversation from one side to the other.

  in the end i handed the dissociation letter in hand and a binding to each of the elders, with an article i wrote on the subject, "are jehovah's witnesses a destructive sect?

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  humbled

  Your letter was filled with two qualities the Organization made war on: individual responsibility and real love.

  A beautiful letter.

  I have no use for theology now. But individual responsibly and real love — teachings attributed to Jesus hold me together. Was he just a r&f Jewish Carpenter? I truly do not believe it matters.

  l am glad that you measured out why you disassociated in your letter. I know it would have affected me even at the height of my JW attachment if l had read it.

  Thanks for sharing it.
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  Growing a beard

  by Coded Logic in

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  i've always been currious as to how i would look with a beard so i've finally committed to doing it.

  over the next 30 days i'm going to grow out a full chin to ear beard.. .

  ps:  any suggestions or advice on how to grow a beard would be much appreciated!.

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  humbled

  If your skin gets funky, itchy, flakey like it does for some guys( three guys l know had that trouble) buy pine tar soap and shampoo your beard with it.

  Maybe sounds weird but it is not an uncommon problem and pine tar soap is a fine old remedy. Check it out on line.

  Good luck, fella!
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  Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

  by Black Man in

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  this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

  i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

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  humbled

  “I have real rabbi work to do.”—Rabbi Midge

  This thread isn’t about Judaism or college. It asked if there were instances where God ordered the rape of women. People on the forum cited a lot of scriptures (God’s Word, so they say). Those scriptures were/are misogynistic and there are more than those that portray women as inferior.

  Jews and Christians have for hundreds of years perpetuated bad attitudes toward women based on those scriptures. Men of high education have used those scriptures.

  I said most ex-JWs didn’t need a professor or a rabbi to figure out that these scriptures were no good. You talked down to these people. l didn’t find a generous spirit in your comments.

  You are not entirely honest about the residual imbalance in the traditional divorce process among Jews.

  I am out of this . Try to grow your heart as well as your mind. But here, enjoy getting in the last word, Rabbi Midge:

  “Get your facts straight. If you going to run with the big educated dogs, you had better be ready to keep up with them. Otherwise stay on the porch.
  And yes, that's from a rabbi. We ain't sissy Christian preachers or sweet nuns. This thread is not about you, and nobody cares about your feelings, honey. Get your facts straight or get an education or get out of the way.”
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  Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

  by Black Man in

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  this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

  i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

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  humbled

  College, midge. My daughters went to college. They are working in places where college has value. You do not know where l live. The troubles that are overwhelming my community, the well educated are not willing to help lift “ not even with their little finger”

  l am not referring to welfare.

  You might say to me “you don’t know what you don’t know”.

  And l say the same to you.

  College would be wonderful...who doesn’t need it? But for the work that l am doing??? And You are a Rabbi? You think a fine distinction between the Catholic and Jewish tradition in liturgy matters in my world? Please.

  But you are condescending to persist in this admonition for me to go to college -NOW-when you don’t know anything about me. You can declare how right your view is.. that college will set me on a good road. This might even sound like wisdom.

  Do I will say this: The world should go to college.

  I believe that. I do. With all my heart.

  But there is this problem-hearts are not always made better by college. Not that that is the mission of higher education in the first place. No, there is a deeper need where l work.

  For now,I struggle for a world of better hearts than of better minds. A world of better hearts will soon be a world of better minds. The JW world worked for neither of these things .

  Jewish people place a high value on education and that is fine. So do l. Leave off carping on me about college.
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  Connect the dots: Cut the baby in half

  by OrphanCrow in

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  *thanks to bubba on reddit for the heads up this uplifting children's activity.

  what is the purpose of this activity?

  what is the message?

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  humbled

  Telling these stories to children as though they were normal histories of faith in God prepares them for abuse and mind manipulation. Normalizing extreme and murderous behavior to illustrate God’s “good” qualities and God‘s “wisdom” grooms children for vicious judgement and behavior-/both to receive it and to dole it out.

  As time passes l forgive myself for my behavior, my gullibility. The indoctrination was deep and terrible—and it is in so many churches, so many religions.My Book of Bible Stories is s god porn—really extreme and sick. By the time l recognized how twisted this stuff was l had been a JW over 20 years. The killing and sadistic stories just didn’t work for me.

  If there was a Jesus, l believe he had trouble with this shit too. Carpenters are generally free thinkers.
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  Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

  by Black Man in

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  this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

  i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

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  humbled

  I did not grow up a witness. I value college for more than the parsing out of ancient patriarchal texts —while it may offer a profession for some has no binding moral value for me.

  As a former Catholic I view the use of liturgy with suspicion—the more emotional impact it carries because of my childhood the more careful l am of its power to subvert. We learned the mass in Latin. Who cared to teach?

  You are free to pursue academics. Someday I may go to college. It hasn’t been a possibility lately.

  I am glad that some have been gracious towards you. For my part I cannot appreciate your condescending manner. I have met it all too often in my many years around religious teachers.
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  Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

  by Black Man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

  i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

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  humbled

  So, midge,you say all should go to professors to learn the relative values of the various scriptures. Because you said:

  The fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses and ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot tell the difference will cause them to see what is written in the Bible as the only thing that is binding, when in reality what is written in the Bible is mainly liturgical.

  Right—a lot of us figured out that crap wasn’t binding —without a professor or rabbi telling us. As for the scriptures being mainly liturgical? Why do you even retain spurious texts for public worship ?

  Conservative Jews give the man the freedom to easily divorce. Not so for the woman . How does that still bind ?

  That’s all the time I got for this. I’m going to return to the unwashed uneducated masses who don’t have time for your foolishness. I don’t need anymore of this high-handed religious talk.

  Do onto others as you would have them do unto you. Love your neighbor as yourself. I don’t need a preacher or a rabbi to tell me what that means
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  If I were still of the anointed . . .

  by compound complex in

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  greetings, earth-bound friends:.

  i guess at this point in life, given what we all now know, we no longer harbor any delusions of grandeur.

  my temporary insanity, which i've written about on other threads, was that assurance of being in heaven with jehovah and jesus and the other 143,999 kings and priests.

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  humbled

  Haha!

  Chook, Smiddy and Coco! I’m laughing!

  O when we believed with all our hearts... what hopes we had...,

  what delicious irreverence for the holy throne of Tony Morris .

  l will sleep now grinning
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  Favorite Quotations from Movies

  by compound complex in

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  "the way you walked was thorny, through no fault of your own, but as the rain enters the soil, the river enters the sea, so tears run to a predestined end.

  now you will have peace for eternity.

  " -- maleva, the wolf man.

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  humbled

  What about Bob? — “Gone? You think he’s gone ??? He’s NEVER gone!!”—Dr. Leo