OnTheWayOut

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  Rejecting JW Message is More Important than Success to Keep Them Indoctrinated

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the recruiting work of jehovah's witnesses has never been very effective.

  such low positive results for such great efforts.

  but the members are paying the gas money and expending the hours, so watchtower is not really losing out.i want you to think about the rejection jw's receive, be it a negative response at the door or people ignoring them at the cart.

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  OnTheWayOut

  The recruiting work of Jehovah's Witnesses has never been very effective. Such low positive results for such great efforts. But the members are paying the gas money and expending the hours, so Watchtower is not really losing out.
  
  I want you to think about the rejection JW's receive, be it a negative response at the door or people ignoring them at the cart. That rejection is way more important than the few people they convert. Rejection and indifference builds up their uncomfortable feeling to be around people outside of the organization. They start to regain their comfort when they gather at Starbucks or Tim Hortons with their "brothers and sisters" after a round of worldly rejections.
  
  If the entire process of recruiting is done properly, they start off with encouraging support at the meeting for service, then the harsh world rejects them quickly and boldly, then they get back together with supportive people who care. They even see each other as returning heroes with tales of how closed-minded those worldly ones were.
  
  Just another pain reward cycle in a mind-control technique common to religions like the JW's. It gets magnified if the JW is sure that Jehovah is pleased with the way they handled the rejection or "won" their little debate session (despite whatever reality there was in who made valid points).
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  As A Former JW Are You Patriotic At All?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah’s witnesses were drilled with the idea that all governments are from satan and that we should have nothing to do with anything involving support of the government, voting, or political talk for one party or another.. now that you are out, is patriotism important to you?

  is voting important to you?

  are you supportive of your country?.

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  I am a world citizen, concerned about all people. So no, not really patriotic. Still, I want what is good for the United States- just not at the expense of people elsewhere.

  But I will wear red, white, blue stuff and flag stuff. That's because I feel a sense of slapping Watchtower in the face when I do it .
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  If you saw a governing body member being pummeled would you help them?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  before you answer; .

  think about how they could care less how many families are broken up just to retain their power.

  how they could care less if members are driven to suicide because of the deep programming and severe depression or strained family situations.. how they would rather let members die in order to retain their power and refuse to acknowledge their faulty bible reasoning regarding blood.. i could go on and on and on.

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  In all honesty, I hope I would help anyone in such a situation. I don't blame people for a different answer though.
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  Any Dogs Returning to their Vomit Here?

  by Solzhenitsyn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was wondering if any long time jw's that are now pomo's here on the forum now act in a leadership role within another religious organization?.

  i do and would enjoy a bit of conversation with this (i assume minority) "sub-culture" of ex-jw's.

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  So you act in a leadership role in another religious organization, but you admit (in your title anyway) that it is likened to the dog returning to their vomit.
  
  What's up with that?
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  Chapter a Day (I will post) from my Sci-Fi novel

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  chapter one.

  the monorails of mars (1905) ____.

  like watchful eyes—the twin moons of mars voyeured above the chaos.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHU5P0WXAqM
  
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  Getting disfellowshipped to marry and return

  by confused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just wondering if there is any official rules on dealing with this.

  a sister in the congregation is planning to divorce her husband who is also a witness so she can marry a different brother in the same hall!

  yes this is a huge scandal!

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  Snugglebunny on page 1: This happened in the UK some years ago. The fella was a District overseer - I believe his name was Turnbull - and he and his lady love admitted to the DF'ing committee that they knew they'd be DF'd but planned to bide their time, get divorced and then married, then apply for reinstatement.
  HO at Mill Hill were obviously involved and their edict to the JC was to stipulate that they would have to wait for 10 years before they could apply for re-admission.

  I typed this and it disappeared. I said that a C.O. told elders in the 1990's that people who do such were facing an unwritten, but hard rule to wait 10 years for reinstatement.
  
  While the C.O. didn't say it, it was implied that they could scheme around it and the cheating JW's could break up to look more repentant. They would either get reproved or DF'ed, but would appear to be not in a relationship, then simply wait until after the reinstatement and a couple years before marrying.
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  Why do CO's refuse to strip Elders of their position?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in several congregations i attended many elders were downright evil and flat out drunk with power.. many times i personally knew of things done by them that would have been a disfellowshipping offense had they not been elders.

  and even though many times these issues and spiritual atrocities were reported to the co's and hq they would many times (if not all the time), get off with a mere slap on the wrist or a forced apology.. why do you believe elders are so protected?.

  my theory is the authority integrity within the congregation.

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  A combination of things already said.

  They don't have men standing by ready to replace elders. They don't have retirement plans, so they want green handshakes and favorable welcomes at each congregation.

  Many do support kindred spirits among elders, or at least know that firing elders is a difficult process that leaves a man who knows much about the flaws of the congregation fighting for position.
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  Political leaning since leaving the Org.

  by Olig in

  1. social
  2. current

  as you are completely barred from talking or being involved in politics while in the org, since leaving has anyone started any political campaigning or activism?

  also what way would you lean?

  left?

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  I had reservations anout age, but as long as the VP is acceptable, I am all for Bernie Sanders for U.S. president.

  This country is well-to-do enough to pass the benefits down to the workers. The rich are just playing a game to see who can have helicopters and own sports teams and make themselves richer through bankrupting companies and paying no severance.

  I am all for "tax the rich, feed the poor." Healthcare for all. Any child could look at a pie chart of the U.S. budget and tell you where money can come from to pay for things before increasing taxes on the rich.
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  Do You Have A Negative Outlook Because You Were Once A JW?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it could be argued that exjws have issues in life simply because they were jehovah’s witnesses at a point in their lives.

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  do you think you or we are fairly normal considering we were jehovah’s witnesses or do you think we have a lot of baggage because we are a bit messed up ( even if we don’t even know it)?.

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  "...we have a lot of baggage because we are a bit messed up..."
  
  Yes sir.
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  OCT 2019 Watchtower - Survival dependant on loyalty to JW Leaders

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there is so much wrong with the newly released october, 2019 but that's not unusual.

  what stands out is there statement claiming that survival through armageddon depends on loyalty to those 'taking the lead'.

  since they claim there will be a point during the gt that they (the gb) won't be physically around, jws must still be loyal to jw leaders.. whats interesting in this article is that they make it clear that they, the governing body are going to take part, from heaven, in the war of armageddon.

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  From the article: At some point, all anointed ones who are still on earth will be gathered to heaven to share in the war of Armageddon.

  So they have no worry about being called to account for what they are doing because all the things JW's are waiting for will take place AFTER they (GB) are dead and buried.

  From the article: This means that the Governing Body will no longer be with us on earth.

  Maybe they are setting up a different hierarchy later that will let the lawyers and bean counters rule and this is their way of starting to get everyone used to it. That's my rumor.