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  COULD BE GONE FOR AWHILE!

  by Dansk in

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  dear all,.

  those of you who have posted here regularly for the past four years have helped me immensely in my recovery from watchtower and have shared with me in my journey.

  you will also know that, after winning my battle with watchtower (save for one daughter who is still stuck fast in the org and shunning the rest of us), i have been fighting an even greater battle these past three years - cancer!.

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  All the best, Ian!

  Jason
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  What do you think?

  by jaguarbass in

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  my wife of 35 years and i were talking last night.

  i was raised a witness.

  she became a witness on her own volition at about 13 years old.

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  Jag,

  I consider myself lucky to have an education because of a very liberal dub "big brother", about your age, who forced me to go to college, even though the borg was dead against it stil in 1991. If I can offer any advice back to someone, it's that they are never too old to go to school, learn something you like doing, and DO it. You'll be much happier in the end.

  Jason
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  Struggling....

  by sweet pea in

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  hi guys .

  just feeling really crappy tonight.

  my old best friend sent me back my spare house keys this week together with a present for my little one with a note addressed to him.

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  IKWILAILWIK

  Genesis? Selling England by the Pound???
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  Struggling....

  by sweet pea in

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  hi guys .

  just feeling really crappy tonight.

  my old best friend sent me back my spare house keys this week together with a present for my little one with a note addressed to him.

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  Pay no mind to the nonsense, SP. They really don't know any better. We all feel your pain.

  j
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  GOD IS NOT GREAT - Christopher Hitchens

  by Dansk in

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  apologies if someone has covered this already, but i'm a third of the way through this marvellous book which i'm enjoying more than richard dawkin's the god delusion.

  the full title of hitchens' book is god is not great - the case against religion.

  it pulls no punches and is extremely well written.

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  Thanks for the book tip Ian. I'll start on this one after I get my CCNA cert this fall, (reading nothing but Cisco stuff on train ride to/from work now). Anyway, Alan mentioned a few that I have read, and would recommend them as well to anyone:

  God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows that God Does Not Exist, Victor Steng

  The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins

  Breaking the Spell: Religion As A Natural Phenomenon, Daniel Dennett

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  Has Islam lead to an increase in Atheism?

  by nicolaou in

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  ever since 911 and the subsequent attacks in bali, madrid, and london it seems that everyone feels they have a licence to criticise islam (they do).

  fundamentalist and many mainstream christians deride the backwardness of a religion that creates suicide bombers and 'honour' killers.

  of course, it was only a small group of hardcore islamist extremists that carried out these attacks but the whole community has been tarred by them, and perhaps in some sense it is only right that the majority of 'reasonable' and peaceful muslims do accept the part they play in providing the soil for these people to grow in.

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  To answer the question, yes. Islam, (as well as any extreme form of religion, including jw), has led to an increase in atheism. When people are forced to think about the horrible effects of blindly following any belief system, this will almost always lead to an awakening.

  Having been in the US and Europe, I'd say disenfranchisement of minority communities, lack of integration by minority communities, lack of equallity for members of minority communities and the violence and trouble that thi all causes are FAR worse in the USA

  To a degree, I agree with the above statement. However, only to the extent that many European countries, (and Canada, also), have better social systems in place to support the disadvantaged. In the USA, it is still easier to really become succussful, (in the monetary sense), if one takes the initiative. That said, the Muslim community here often are better educated, have better jobs, own businesses, etc, than they are in Europe. They don't want Sharia law, and they don't fly airplanes into buildings. This is why we see less in the way of terror cells in the USA. Of couse, the USA is the country at greatest risk for an event such as 9/11, because the US is still viewed as the capital of western thought by extreme Muslims.

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  LIFE IS GOOD!

  by Dansk in

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  what the heck.

  i'm sitting here with idle time.

  ok, so what's so great about that?

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  Great to hear from you again, Ian!

  Jason
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  20 minutes....

  by Scully in

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  a jw i used to know died recently.

  she was almost exactly the same age as me - we were born just days apart.

  she had battled cancer for almost a decade.

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  done4good

  My condolences, Scully.

  I had to BEG the BOE to have a memorial service for my df'd mother when mom and dad were killed in a car accident 11 years ago. The whole thing for the TWO of them didn't last more than 20 minutes, and NOTHING, (other than survivors, and the like), about them as people was discussed whatsoever. My non-jw relatives are still pissed over this. Real good "witness" Wacktower!!!

  Jason
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  Friendly talk with a couple of elders

  by TooBad TooSad in

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  last week i received a home visit from a couple of elders because they were concerned about my spirituality.

  and lack of progress.

  i said so you can guarantee the end will be here in 5 years.

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  done4good

  That is some messed ass logic if I ever heard it. What sort of a loving creator would destroy his creation based on a time-line? How is it fair that group A gets to leave and have as much fun as they can then come back and get saved, while group B leaves at a later time and because Jewhorevah decides its time for the end they all get lightning bolted? Scary that these people walk among us.

  GBL

  I remember even as a kid asking the same question. I don't know how I managed to stay in for 20 years after that.

  j
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  We all feel the pain of the WT, now what will we do about it?

  by dawg in

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  i just wanted to make one simple statement... i've heard many say that they can't get out of this bull, they just faded so they wouldn't have to deal with all the issues that are sure to arise if they use confrontation.

  many have said they can't stand to lose family members and the like and that's why they've chasen to fade rather then speak out.

  here's what i've lost becasue i've chosen to tell the truth about the bastards.

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  done4good

  Uh, I flipped the bird to Bethel today coming home from Brooklyn, does that count?

  Seriously though, Dawg is spot on here.

  j