Dude, Go on Amazon and order both of Ray Franz's books RIGHT NOW. Think about it, Don't waste one more minute at the hall until you do. How about living your lives guilt free. It will change your life and begin the healing for both you and your mate, I read C.O.C. in three days and I hate to read. It will put the first pieces of the puzzle in place. Get any of that " I can't, it's apostate literature" shit out of your head quick If it is there. That guy was on the governing body and even if half of what he brings up is bull, its enough. It will be a challenge that your mates family are in deep, be careful and try for the escape. All you have to do is keep your mouths shut and claim spiritual weakness to the friends and family, move to another area, that's right move. Keep your thoughts on this forum and start your free life. Time waits for no one. Welcome.
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24Did I miss my opportunity?
by StillGroggy inim a long time witness but the last district convention with all of it's "don't think for yourself" propoganda led me to this board.
lately i've been trying to formulate a plan, to try and reason with her and get us both out (although her whole family is in, and probably will be till death)
my wife has at times been dissilussioned with the org, but, ironically, i'm usually the one to comfort her and tell her to wait on jehovah.
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Will the wts face a Muslim backlash over the new tract?
by fullofdoubtnow inthey do, after all, classify all religions apart from theirs as false, and we've seen in the last few days that it doesn't take much to inflame the more militant factions of islam.
there's a large muslim community around here, and i can't see some of them taking kindly to being labelled a false religion.. this may not be the best time for the wts to be distributing such "information", but i expect they will go ahead, oblivious as to the sort of reaction it may provoke.
i hope that nothing much comes of this campaign, but in the sensitive times in which we all live, i can't help wondering....
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All terrorist must die. That we all know. Just so happens they all claim to worship the same god. Whatever the watchtower decides to print about those FU*KERS is OK by me. So what if they hurt their feelings. WHAT ABOUT THE FEELINGS AND RIGHTS OF THOSE PEOPLE JUMPING OUT OF THE TWIN TOWERS OR IN THOSE PLANES ON 9/11,OR HOW ABOUT THE FAMILIES OF THOSE PEOPLE. Facts don't lie, In my book they are all guilty.
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Realization about the Adam and Eve myth
by CordyC inas i looked at the adam and eve story again, i realized the something is wrong with the story.
jehovah offers the pair all the fruits in the garden of eden save the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.
there's a problem though, why would there be a fruit for that if bad supposedly wasn't around at that point yet?
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I could never explain how people from Africa and say Asia came from the same two people.
It is virtually impossible to reason on that subject, because if true that would be a form of evolution would it not? The fear of death and the unknown I believe is the reason why the storytellers came up with some good ones and of course the weak being the majority bought it. Throughout history religions have hijacked others beliefs over and over again. Lets face it we do live on one cool planet, but chances are we are only to live to 70 or 80 and that is it, so accept it and move on and treat people with as much kindness that they are willing to give. In other words be kind to everybody on the ride but occasionally you need to step up and bitch slap one who needs it.
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Meaningful Quotations...
by LittleToe ini recently came across this one, and it resonated with me:.
"be the change you want to see in the world" mahatma ghandi.. how about you?.
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Shit in one hand and wish in the other. See which one fills up faster.
God willing and the creek don't rise.
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What song would you like to hear entering the Kingdom Hall?
by JH inhere i am, rocked you like a hurricane.
here i am, rocked you like a hurricane.
here i am, rocked you like a hurricane.
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RUN TO THE HILLS
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What's your present belief ?
by JH in.
without attacking anyone for their beliefs, feel free to state what you believe in right now.. personally, i still believe in a higher power, a creator, call him jehovah if you wish, a god that will put things back right eventually.
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Sorry ( Two naked people which all of us originated from and all colors came) Get it?
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What's your present belief ?
by JH in.
without attacking anyone for their beliefs, feel free to state what you believe in right now.. personally, i still believe in a higher power, a creator, call him jehovah if you wish, a god that will put things back right eventually.
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God never had a beginning and never has an end ?Jesus walked on water ? Daniel in the lions den ? Those three dudes Nebuchadnezzar tossed into the furnace ? Two of every creature on earth in a ark ? What about the insects ? ARE KIDDING ME ! No way we came from two naked people. Its all one big story that people have been Fuc...ing up for centuries. Kind of like when you have a line of people and you start at one end with a story and by the end of the line its a twisted version. Only the story was bullshit to begin with. That's what's in my head right now. No offense to any who still think those things where/are possible, but to logically think about it, now that I look back it seems kind of silly.
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How deep did you search to finally quit being a JW?
by JH inin my case, i never did much research or read alot of apostate literature to get out of the jw religion.
all i looked at was their heart and how they treated me.
that alone spoke for itself..
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What the hell is a murph ?
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Recommend a GOOD film - no snakes, planes or spandex superheroes.
by nicolaou init's been out a while and i know it's already been commented on here but i really enjoyed the village.
the creation of fear and the control that it allows must surely strike a chord.. recently i saw christian bale in the machinist.
bloody awesome!
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MATCH POINT
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My Whole Life Seems Like A Fabrication
by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit ini'm brand new here but have been reading for months.
my sincere thanks to those who have come before me, shown me that i'm not alone, that i'm not nuts and not a loser.
i was raised a hoho, pioneered my best years away, i married a nice brother, my dad was an elder, one or of both my parents have been pioneers for 30 years+, we hosted bethel speakers and gb members in our home, my parents have had numerous circuit ass.
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Just think, some of us went through the same ridicule (family) that you have when we came INTO the org. That is one of their best deterrents for losing their braindeads. The more family in , the harder it is to decide to leave. I bet half the active JWs feel so trapped due to family connections. hats off former dub. F your parants and family for now and hope one day before one of you pass they will see the light you have already found.