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  Jehovah's house for Sale?

  by JohnTron72 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  when i drive by the kingdom hall i grew up attending at but, was sold directly to a church, i get angry.

  the elders who handled the sale didn't even remove the watchtower shaped bricks on each side of the sign near the street so, now they advertise for a baptist church.

  how many times as i grew up i heard things like: you should not do work ( such as clean carpets for a church) you wouldn't want to work at a cigarette making plant or a facility that makes bombs for the military.

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  I remember being really p&&sed off when I heard a KH which I had given up several weekends to work on was sold to a Pentecostal group. I actually took on the CO about it , asking him if it would have been OK for Solomon to sell the tabernacle or temple to the local Baal worshipers? He just looked sheepish , admitting that he really didn't have an answer , but we shouldn't "criticise the brothers". It was another of those "eureka" moments that led to me eventually leaving.

  Ray Franz discusses this matter in one of his books , with some quite heartbreaking examples of JWs who were DFd for the most lame reasons for supposedly supporting Babylon the Great. The Org can pretty much do anything that an individual JW would be DFd for. Just hypocritical.
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  2020--Special Meeting with Pioneers!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2020 special meeting with pioneers (morning session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k231wmebpb4.

  2020 special meeting with pioneers (afternoon session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhvwbjsv2w.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/e0gu2z/2020_special_meeting_with_pioneers_morning_and/ .

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  dozy

  Same delusional people thinking they have been blessed by God because of a natural turn of events .
  

  It is bizarre seeing the JW at about 42:00 on the morning session who claims Jehovah answered her prayer specifically asking her employer to give her a particular part time schedule. Does she not think that this was perhaps a flexible , supportive employer? And if Jehovah is so ready to micro manage events to this extent , why doesn't he step in and stop children dying or other vastly more important interventions?

  It was this kind of arrogant , self delusional experience that really used to annoy me , even when I was an active , believing JW.
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  How Many Here Are Estranged From Your Family Because Of The Witnesses?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do your jw relatives still talk to you?

  are you now not very close?

  are you avoided?

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  I'm faded , not DFd , and have kept quiet about my reasons for leaving the Org but nevertheless I got the "we don't want anything more to do with you until you return to Jehovah" email from my siblings ( 2 brothers / 1 sister ) ten years ago. Initially for the first 2 or 3 years , it was complete shunning.

  Since then things have kind of mellowed slightly , especially with my sister , who is a more of a weaker , social type JW than my two brothers , who are the self-righteous JW "Society Men" types. This is mainly because our ( JW ) parents are very elderly , so occasionally there is "family business" style contact. It can be sometimes be pretty strained - the elephant in the room is a constant presence!

  I'm guessing that when our parents die , things will revert to total shunning again. To be honest - all of our lives have moved on , we don't really have much in common anymore - their lives revolve around the Org hamster wheel of pointless activity - and they aren't especially nice people anyway - so I honestly don't really care.
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  Melbourne Convention Protest

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hi all.. i didn't want to post this in private because i want all to see what i saw.. the protest at the melbourne convention went superbly in my opinion.

  the protesters and their banners were more than eloquent and succinct.

  you could feel the emotion they all conveyed.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwhlho7zOM
  
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  Life Update 2019

  by passwordprotected in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's been a while since i was anywhere close to being active here, or on any other ex-jw forum or facebook group.

  i rarely think about the religion and have little-to-no interest in it.. however, i do, very occasionally pop in here.

  hence this update, 3 years on since my last one - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5720228449222656/update-on-my-journey-8-years-after-end-watchtower-control.

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  Thanks for the update. Glad life is happy for you & wishing you the best of health.
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  What Did You Do With All Your Meeting Clothes?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i literally had dozens of suits.

  i still have more dress clothes than anyone i know.

  i did give some suits and clothing away and to be honest, i still like wearing a nice suit.. brothers and sisters, are all your “ meeting clothes” still in your closet?

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  Gave most of my suits to charity - exactly what will happen to them , goodness knows - I can't imagine there is much of a demand for these. Kept a couple of the newer ones back for occasional weddings / funerals / barmitzphas / court appearances! etc.
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  JW.org's new miserable picture

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the new article about the international convention in manila, the picture of the crowd is pretty telling.

  they look so drained and miserable!.

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  Mark Sanderson looks happy though....Must be near lunch time...
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  Can nonreligious people go to service?

  by Thisdude in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have no idea if im doing this right.

  i'm an atheist but i'm curious about the religion.

  theres a service(?

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  The format for the Sunday meeting is usually a 30 minute public talk. This is followed by a Watchtower study which is a tightly controlled format where a paragraph from the Watchtower is read , the conductor asks a few scripted and auxiliary questions and answers are given , ideally as near to word for word from the paragraph as possible. Generally it is quite dumbed down and ( frankly ) quite boring.

  The organisation has some unusual beliefs (including their core teaching that "imminently" ( as they have been proclaiming since 1874! ) God will destroy 99.9% of the earths population at Armageddon and only the faithful ( ie JWs ) will survive.

  Essentially however it is not dissimilar to other similar groups ( such as the Mormons) in that it is a kind of self-sustaining business model that has millions of volunteers being told they are doing "God's will" by basically being unpaid volunteers distributing the Societies literature , developing the Societies real estate operation and generally keep them busy in "Jehovah's service". If you think of a typical MLM model where people are told they are changing the world but in reality selling overpriced and often useless "herbal" products or "green" cleaning fluids to the enrichment of a few people at the top - it's a bit like that with a religious element ( without the obvious enrichment of the leaders. )

  Most JWs are nice people , though it does seem to attract quite a few weirdos and a few a**holes. Be wary of the "love bombing".

  Let us know how you get on. Enjoy....
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  5 kingdom halls in New Addington for sale

  by usualusername1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had it confirmed today that 5 kingdom halls on one site in new addington are for sale.

  price being asked £3.5 million.. every witness in london worked on that site.

  am in shock.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u-xRmv2Idk
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  5 kingdom halls in New Addington for sale

  by usualusername1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had it confirmed today that 5 kingdom halls on one site in new addington are for sale.

  price being asked £3.5 million.. every witness in london worked on that site.

  am in shock.

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  dozy

  I don't really feel sorry for the guy , although he is obviously upset. Did he think that he had a home for life? 28 years residency isn't a bad result - he must have known that sooner or later the site would be sold & he would be kicked out.

  The Society gets its finance nowadays from building properties ( with free labour ) and selling a few years down the line - all tax free. It is basically a real estate development organisation - religion is a bit of a side show. Let this be a salient warning for any people volunteering their time & money to build projects and those assuming the Society will house them & care for them long term.