Posts by dozy

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PIMO Elder with a Dilemma

by xjwsrock in

i haven’t been on here in awhile and this is my second user name because i was busted by my pimi wife on the first one.

i have been basically awake since 2013. i have a super dub wife that i love and don’t want to lose and my sick mom in the hall that is a true believer.

stupid religion has gotten between my wife and i (of course).

dozy

As an ex-elder myself , I know what you are going through.

My last couple of years as an elder when I was PIMO were painful - my ministry dropped virtually to zero , I was missing every meeting I possibly could , my public talk that I would give list dropped from 20 to about half a dozen that I felt comfortable to give. It is a very difficult transition & I was probably lucky that only one elder ( one of the uber self righteous JW types ) attacked me in elders meetings - the rest cut me some slack ( maybe because a few of them were slackers as well ). Eventually I just resigned - the whole situation was impossible to manage.

You are better just resigning as an elder on your own terms rather than being kicked out which will happen eventually - as an elder , you are expected to "take the lead" and it is very difficult to go through the motions when you know it is all false. Just my 2C,

Good luck with the marriage - once a wife loses intimacy , it is very difficult for you to rebuild that. Lots of marriages don't survive this process.

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Amber Scorah on TedEX

by wannaexit in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wfpaqcqcw.

dozy

A hugely impressive young woman..what a super speech......

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#Persecution selfies: what do you think?

by Diogenesister in

so apparently the new watchtower russia exhibition features a pretend cell for jws to take pretend "persecution selfies' and wallow in the glorious suffering that is essential for watchtower theology to work - yet is strikingly missing from the lives of 99% of witnesses.. in fact most governments go to great lengths to protect the rights of witnesses, spending millions in public funds either directly to watchtower - in the form of grants ( norway, germany etc) - in various types of tax relief, or in the money spent in court cases establishing watchtowers rights and freedoms (& protecting their kids, whether they know it or not).. i'm interested to know how everyone feels about this...particularly terry walstrom and other guys who have spent time in jail in the name of watchtower's freedom of conscience.

personally i think it reeks of desperation by watchtower and is another example of the type of fantasizing that witnesses regularly indulge in.. also....funny how the end is soooo close that they've had time to build a museum of watchtower history!!

anyone else see the irony in that?!

dozy

It's an odd one - just seems to be in bad taste. I think I would be a bit hacked off if I was a JW in South Korea , for example , imprisoned for refusing military service and seeing instagram shots of JWs pretending to be in prison and having a good laugh.

It just feeds into the same narrative including garish videos of SWAT squads and JWs huddled in bunkers that the Society tries to promote which is that JWs are hated by the world and under imminent threat of severe persecution etc.

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2019-October 8, BOE!

by Atlantis in

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2019-10-08 boe.

supporting the congregation as a pioneer.

https://docdro.id/sf2rkwx.

dozy

Thanks Atlantis. This brings back a few memories! I remember ( as a service overseer ) having to implement the "Pioneer Assistance Program". It was a total nightmare.

Pioneers hated it because they were very much into their routines and their cliques with the other pioneers and hated having a "tag along" that they were supposed to train. Most pioneers are pretty selfish as far as their ministry is concerned - the last thing they want is to be under an obligation to train somebody else.

Most of those being assisted hated it as well as they saw it as patronising and being singled out as "weak" etc. I remember that we had a few publishers who simply refused to go onto the program.

The whole scheme was a disaster and usually pairing arrangements broke down very quickly. Unfortunately the Society tried to keep the scheme going with occasional meeting items and COs had references in their outlines and in the pioneer meeting outline and would ask questions about how the program was going. It was a huge relief when the Society eventually stopped the whole program.

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1934 Yearbook hard to find

by rickroll in

i have been looking for one and they go for a lot when i do find them.

to the tune of 200 bucks.

are they that rare?.

dozy

There are collectors , particularly in the USA , who pay big money for older Watchtower publications. I guess with Yearbooks - people are filling empty spots in their libraries.

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Annual Mtg Points

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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matt 28: 19 is the year text.

new understanding on joel ch 2 who are the locusts?.

there is a new building addition to warwick in the works.

dozy

The building will house 1000 audiovisual and art production volunteers.

1000 - that just seems a huge number of "volunteers". Does it really take that many people , in addition to whom they already have , to produce the Societies videos? To what degree are they scaling up? A 24 hour JW TV station , or something?

I googled to see how many employees it takes to produce a Hollywood movie , which is vastly more sophisticated than JW dot org video output , and it seems to be approx 2,000 - 3,000 https://stephenfollows.com/how-many-people-work-on-a-hollywood-film/

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New KHs Still Being Built!

by blondie in

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https://www.thereminder.ca/news/local-news/new-home-under-construction-for-jehovah-s-witnesses-1.23964617.

flin flon, ca.

according to statistics supplied by jehovah’s witnesses canada, about 85 jehovah’s witnesses live in flin flon, with around 100 people coming to each of the group’s biweekly meetings.. “we needed a new hall because the congregation has outgrown the old hall,” said congregation elder kelly flodell in a press release..

dozy

About 85 Jehovah’s Witnesses live in Flin Flon, with around 100 people coming to each of the group’s biweekly meetings.

Is it just me , or does that figure sound suspiciously high. Usually attendances are about 70% - 80% of publishers , so a congregation that has 85 publishers would normally have perhaps 70 or so in attendance.

Are they talking about 85 baptised JWs ( ie excluding kids who are publishers but not baptised , the (very few ) unbaptised publishers who are studying etc )?

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Need help in finding some information regarding the Adam and Eve tale.

by Tameria2001 in

i am finally at the point in my life i no longer believe in the tales of the bible.

my husband feels for the most part that it too is stuff made up.

there are just a few things that he wants to get cleared up, and one of those being the story of adam and eve.

dozy

The "Atheists book of Bible Stories" is an excellent reference. Written by an ex-JW , he dissects some of the bible accounts ( including Adam & Eve )

Free PDF download here https://app.box.com/s/uclytd91jd

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How Long Did It Take To Finally Leave The Organization Once You Realized It Was Really Not The Truth?

by minimus in

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it actually took me a few years to finally leave the organization so i was mentally out for a while before i simply stopped all meetings altogether.. how long did it take you to finally make the break?

?.

dozy

Probably took 6 months or so - the process was drawn out because I have a lot of family as JWs ( including elderly parents ) and to go "cold turkey" & leave in a very short time period would have been difficult logistically.

I eventually came off as an elder & the plan was to stay and intermittently attend meetings for a few months and then fade completely but that step only took 6 weeks or so. I had always been involved in the meetings and invariably had an item ( or two ) every week and was the TMS overseer - I hadn't realised that the meetings are so boring and pointless when you aren't involved in any way and I just hated them & my kids didn't want to attend either. I went on a vacation abroad & decided while I was away to never go back.

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Jehovah's Witnesses Came to My Neighborhood

by Juan Viejo2 in

for nearly two years i have not seen any jehovah's witnesses going door to door in my neighborhood.

that was not the case when my wife and i first moved here (north central oregon).

in fact, our neighborhood was visited at least once every 4 to 5 months - even in the coldest winter months.

dozy

One of our elders was one of the biggest ministry time wasters that I knew - he actually made our pioneers who had long mastered the "pioneer plod" look industrious - he was the type who would assign the territory ( eventually ) and then spend whole mornings driving around the territory making sure "everybody is OK" and basically using every dodge under the sun to knock on as few doors as humanly possible yet still count his time in full.

He had an evening insurance / loans door-to-door collection round and a couple of times he had car trouble so I drove him around in my car. What a contrast - he virtually would run from door to door - knocked loudly - no hanging about at all - shouted out directions to me & kept asking me to speed up. He wouldn't even stop for a take out coffee or toilet break ( the round took about 3 1/2 hours ). I couldn't help but think about the incredible contrast with his apathetic attitude to the "lifesaving work" and when he was doing something that actually was productive.