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JW answer to why Jesus was tortured to death...
by Spectrum in
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.. and not just quickly executed with a sword.

their answer is, "jehovah to show that a perfect person can withstand temptation under the harshest circumstances thereby proving that adam was not under undue duress when he took the fateful decision to follow lucifer".

so the more that christ was tortured and resisted the more this statement must be true.
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Redemption of sin by Christ. OT support or made up?
by Spectrum in
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does the ot support the christian doctrine that a heavenly messiah would come and redeem us of our sins, due to adams fall, hence the advent of jesus christ?

or was it a made up doctrine by the early followers of christ to give credence and purpose of existence to their faith?

if the latter is the case then it is understandable why the muslims believe that the christians are so wrong in belief in christ as a heavenly figure.
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Is the onus on us to understand God or vice versa?
by Spectrum in
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i really feel at a disadvantage here because i don't really know this god.

with my limited brain power i can only understand what i can experience around me with my five senses.

that doesn't include the spiritual world as i have no biological/neurological receptors for this.
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What are the most insincere things JWs say?
by Spectrum in
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it really makes me angry when they say i love jehovah.

they don't know what they are talking about.

if they read with an open mind the carry-ons of this cruel mesopotanian god they would feel ridiculous and embarrassed for putting this god before their family, their children.
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What's missing from this forum is ....
by Spectrum in
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... enough jws and non ex-jws to have a two sided debate that can give more depth than the current one sided debates that are typical of almost every thread apart from creation/evolution threads.

these manage to polarise us in informative albeit heated debates.

an argument should have a counter argument so that as much ground is covered as possible on both sides of the debate.
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The Devil couldn't have done a better job, assuming God inspired the Bible
by Spectrum in
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if you were a mean spirited, nasty supernatural being that wanted to reek havok on human civilisation how would you go about doing it?

inspire people to write several versions of a book, call it holy, then get people to slavishly follow the version that they prefer and die for it when they come in contact with a different version.

could a kind, all powerful, gracious god have ever inspired such a book.
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Jesus constantly asked his audience to have faith. Why?
by Spectrum in
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i read a few chapters of mark and noticed that jesus kept asking/saying to his disciples and everybody else around him to have faith in him.

after seening this word for the nth time a became suspicious especially since he was performing miracles infront of their very eyes.

why do you need faith if the evidence is right in front of you?
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Secularism vs Religion: Which can give society the best all round guide?
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i was always of the view that, without christianity vis a vis secularism to set some important ground rules that people are willing to abide by be it for the love of christ or fear of god's vengence, society would break down like soddom and gomorah and rome.

that the rate of family break down would reach a threshold beyond which, society would not be sustainable as a sane unit in other words a disastrous scenario would ensue.

the problem with this hypothesis is, i don't know of any secular societies to make my comparison with.
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Greatest love of all. Whitney Houston.
by Spectrum in
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what a beautiful song!!

i was playing this song when my jw sister was in my room, i said to her listen to the words, did you hear that, .

"the greatest love all is happening to me, i found the greatest love of all inside of me ...... ... learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all" .
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Let cut JWs some slack on Christ's status. They might be right.
by Spectrum in
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the alternative light i have received regarding early christianity has made me wonder whether jws have unwittingly got it right regarding the status of jesus.

a lot of strong criticism is made on this forum about jws sidelining of jesus in preference for jehovah the jewish god.

they have been equated with judaism because of their lack of inclusion of christ in their worship as well as their draconian code of expected conduct.