Posts by 2112

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Dec. 15, 2007 magazine question.

by memphisbelle in

while sitting at the meeting fighting sleep last sunday, i was reading the magazine and an interesting comment came up !

page 28 heading 4:3, in what way will jehovahs worshipers tread down the wicked?

the paragraph states "gods people on earth will not literally tread down the wicked, that is share in executing his judgement upon them.

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This must be old light since the April 2008 WT says we will have to get rid of "valueless things". Would not a celebration be "valueless"?

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Alarming statement in today's study article in WT...

by Mickey mouse in

paragraph 15: "as we get nearer to the outbreak of the great tribulation, we may well receive some detailed instructions.

our safe journey through those troublesome days will depend on our keeping in step with other loyal servants of jehovah.

" this in the context of a wt discussing the israelites' exodus from egypt and how jehovah had them into a position where there seemed "no way out".

The real sinister part is that they are really vague in their statement. They know that the rumors and the gossip mills will take these paragraphs and spin them for all they are worth. Many JW are paranoid about life as it is so their imagination will run wild with this, as it has in the past. The GB knows that if they keep the r&f in fear they can control them.

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Never Thought About Suicide. Why not?

by Nosferatu in

i was doing some thinking this morning about my mother, when she said she wanted to "work on our bond" over a pizza, and i pretty much didn't bother with the offer.

i was thinking about how i'd confronted her before my boy was born about all the physical abuse which she denied.

i started thinking back to that time in my life, when i would shake uncontrollably thinking about school, let alone actually going to school.

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I've never attempted it but I think about it daily. I truly believe if I did not have my son i would just go for it. But I want to see him grow and be happy first, and he is on his way.

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Birthdays are now a matter of conscience????

by sacrebleu in

i just heard this.

i can't believe it.

does anyone know if this is true?.

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Just a thought, in Job his grown children were killed by Satan when he made the house they were in colapse. Why were they all in the same house? They were celebrating the birthday of one of them. (It said they were there on his day. Else where is is said the 'on his day' meant on the day he was born.) Not to be correcting anyone here but more to the same points. There are three mentions of birthdays, all ending the same way, someone dying and the hands of an evil person. What is interesting about this is that if celebrating birthdays is as bad as they say then why would God promise Job that his children would be resurrected?

I also don't understand how they could say that celebrating a birthday is worshiping the person. I've never bowed or shown obeisance to any one let alone at their birthday party.

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What J.W teaching did you find the hardest to accept??

by karter in

for me it was the fact that god is allowing all these innocent people to get killed to prove a point ,i mean it was a big bet he had with satan.. i explained it to my wife this way if i had our children killed in the most horriable way just to show they couldn't live without me how does that make me look?.

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Shunning people because they said so. If I choose not to speak someone it is because of how they treet me, my family or friends, and it would be my choice. Just because someone does not believe what I do or agrees with me(Or my religion) that does not mean they are any less of a person. Althought most JW are nice but missled people there are many of them, in good standing, that I would not spit on if they were on fire. Yet there are many shunned ones that I would go through a fire for.

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Weirdest music you like

by JK666 in

i always liked captain beefheart and his magic band.

here are a few youtube examples:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqrhr5peifu&feature=related.

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Some of the weirdest would be Max Webster, Crack The Sky, and Triumverat.

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The manipulation is sickening...

by AuroraB in

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so, i just had another run-in with the moms.

totally unrelated to the truth, but we just disagree on so many things, and instead of being respectful and agreeing to disagree, i got the standard, "something is wrong with your thinking and you're going to have a hard time of it if you don't change.

" or, in other words, start to believe what she believes.

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I know it is sad here all the time, that when a JW starts to think for themself that is when their journey begins. They start to see the lies and manipulation and it affects them. They then have to make a choice. Do I leave, do I stay in and pretend it is ok, (For family etc.) or do I tell myself that there is something wrong with me and I need correction? When we take that course we cause ourselfs extreme mental and emotional anguish. I'm sure many of us have been there, and or know people that are there. How sad it is to see and experience. And trying to talk to them is futile. You tell them you are overworked and tired, they say it's because you need to do more.

I remember a conversation I had with an anointed elder about music. I am a guitarest/vocalist and I love rock (Big JW no no). He says that all music is evil other than , you guessed it, Kingdom Melodies, and some classical (provided it was not writen for the church). He said it causes a "spirit of rebelliousness". I said "Really, so if I agree with you then I would have to get rid of all my music collection. And if I disagree with you, I am proving you right by being rebellious?" His responce was "Yes". I think he was suprised that I saw through his set up so quickly but he would not back down.

It is that type of self-righteousness reasoning that is impossable to argue aginst. "It's the truth because I believe it, and if I believe it that is all the proof I need." I still say that most JW are good but missled people, and it is so sad.

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Where do I stand?

by 2112 in

i have been out for about14 years, and i honestly don't know where i stand.

i was neve told i was df'ed, and i never da'ed.

i remember my wife told mt 'they read your letter tonight.

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TJ - Thanks, I guess my sarcasm is a bit too dry today, my whole intent on the blood guilt thing was just a way to try and piss them off if I get to a point where I wanted to have that kind of fun.

Cool response anyway

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Where do I stand?

by 2112 in

i have been out for about14 years, and i honestly don't know where i stand.

i was neve told i was df'ed, and i never da'ed.

i remember my wife told mt 'they read your letter tonight.

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OTWO - I agree that is why I said nothing other than - "It is not a question of how you view my me or what I say, it is the fact that I do not disassociate myself.

That was the totality of what I wrote. I know they can and do say it means anything they want it to, I still find it intersting. They know what the truth is and they cover it up.

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Where do I stand?

by 2112 in

i have been out for about14 years, and i honestly don't know where i stand.

i was neve told i was df'ed, and i never da'ed.

i remember my wife told mt 'they read your letter tonight.

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I have been out for about14 years, and I honestly don't know where I stand. I was neve told I was DF'ed, and I never DA'ed. I remember my wife told mt 'They read your letter tonight." I said "What letter?" She said "The letter you wrote." Ii told her I did not write a letter other than the one that said I am not DA myself, which was in responce to their letter saing that they would view my not subjecting myself to them as a DA. My best friends mother said I was never DF or DA that she knew of (to which I would like to know why she still shuns me).

So I don't know where I stand, not that I really care. However if they said I d DA myself when I clearly did not then they are guilty of lying and blocking my way towards spritual salvation. Would that not by extention make them blood guilty?