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Re: Suicide card

by carla in

i have a question about signing the suicide card.

i'm not sure if my jw has signed the suicide card or not.

i have not seen it in his wallet.

About 8 years ago my elder father had a quad by-pass, I went to the hospital to see him. There were three elders from his hall there and they stood in a line side by side a tried to prevent me from going in the hall way his room was on. I'm not a tough guy by any means, lucky for me my martial arts instructor/best friend was already there and overheard them ploting, he quickly convinced them to back off. They were so goofy looking shuffling from side to side while shoulder to shoulder trying to prevent me from seeing my dad. They did not want me to overide his no blood decision. The sadest part was that this was 2 days after dads surgery so there was no chance of a transfusion.

My best friend a few weeks later told my dad about the incident, which the elders denied so dad said they we were lying. Oh well!

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Lurkers and Newbies..please read appendix 1-D in the NWT Fraud Bible....

by oompa in

you will see two major things in the reference bible.....1-that the inspired word has been changed....altered by satan and apostates...they took gods name out of the greek scriptures....check the insight book under jehovah and you will find that there is not a single ancient manuscript in the greek scriptures that contains the divine name.

2- you will notice that appendix 1-d tells us that they have "restored" the divine name in the greek scriptures where it was quoting from the hebrew scriptures.

there is no manuscript support for doing this, but what is worse is that they don't tell you they have also put it in the nwt wherever the hell they feel like it!!

2112

There whole divine name argument falls flat by one simple fact. They themselves will say that the actual name of God in Yahweh but we pronounce it Jehovah becaue it is more common. If the exact pronunciation is as important as they claim (The gospel according to them) then when they knowingly pronounce it wrong they prove their own failings.

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Need some advice

by KICKED OUT in

jw
friends

i have not been on here in a long time but i have always valued the advice of everyone, so here goes.....i am dfd and my wife has never been a part of the org.

we are getting ready to have our first child in may.

my mother who is now living in patterson(at one of the motherships) speaks to me every 1 to 2 years.

2112

The chance for something better is always worth a bit of risk. I would say let her in. Your wife just may need the help. I would suggest that you r wife set some boundries with your mom on the first day. No talking religion to her or your children. Because she will try to convert your wife as a means to get you to return to the WT. If it was anybody else I would say to them, as I already have, "If my presence in my house offends you, or if you are rude to me in my house you will not be welcome here!" Then stick to your guns.

Best of luck on what ever you decide.

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New Aussie Blood card released last night= It will make you sick! Shocking!

by Witness 007 in

my wife was invited by her cousin to come back to the meeting on tuesday since she had not been to one for over a year.

the reason?

"there's going to be a special anouncement regarding blood for all publishers, you should come!!

2112

My wife came to me yesterday asking if she could put me down as her decision maker were she not able to do so in an emergency, and if I would respect her JW wishes. I said yes when it comes to her, I will respect her wishes. Then she returns from her meeting so full info she wanted me to know about the blood card, and I totally took the wind out of her sails when I started telling her of the fractions she is allowed to take etc. I guess she thought it was insider information. Then she said that she checked other because as medical advances are being made there might be somthing else they could use that is not yet on the card. I just smiled to myself as I wondered, what the hell does medical advances have to do with God saying pour it out on the ground. I almost asked her (But I held back), since when did medical advances start shining new light.

So today my son was warming up a can of ravioli and I took the can and asked him. What would you think if the government said that you could not eat ravioli, but you could eat all the stuff in ravioli just not at the same time? You would have to open each ravioli pasta take out the meat, wipe all the sauce off, set the pasta aside, then you would be allowed to eat each part seperatly? I recicved a strange look, then after a moment the light went on and he just started to smile and then laugh. Through the eyes of a child!

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When they knock....

by 2112 in

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friends

i saw in the "why is service so lame" thread wtwizard takes the jw's to ephesians 2:8,9. it reminded me of what i would say when they called.

this was when we first moved and they did not yet know me.

i would let them say their piece and then i would ask them "why are you here?

2112

I saw in the "Why is service so lame" thread WTWizard takes the JW's to Ephesians 2:8,9. It reminded me of what I would say when they called. This was when we first moved and they did not yet know me. I would let them say their piece and then I would ask them "Why are you here?" I would get the stranges stares first, and then the odl 'We're doing a life saving work." or something similar. Again I would say "That's nice but why are YOU HERE? Again some canned responce. I would continue until they would say "We have to be here to be saved." Then I to would show them Eph. 2. They would then bring up James 2:17, 20 "Faith without works is dead." (Which is where I wanted them to go)

I would say "That is a good scripture." and ask "Does James give an old testament example there? The would say yes - Abraham. I would then go to Galatians 3 and say that "Paul says we are justified by faith not works and he to uses the odl tastament example of Abraham. How could that be it seems like a contradiction, Does the Bible contradict itself? (Remember I'm speaking to a JW, so that question is for another thread) They would reply "No!" I would then say "You are right, so there must be a reason that two Bible writers used the same OT example to prove opposing points." I would let them respond but they never did. So I would say "Taken in context of the book each was writen in and therefore how the writer intended it to be undestood, there is no contradiction. Paul was saying before God we are justified by faith not works & James said before man we are justified by works. Because men can only see Abrahan raise the knife over Issac's body -works, but God could read Abraham's heart long before he even reached the mountain."

Then I would wrap it all up for them and say "So, you are here because God or the Bible says you have to be here? Or are you here because your church tells you you have to be here." I would then say "Don't answer that question to me, you just think about it to yourself, you read the scriptures in context with the books they were writen in, you do the research, you make the truth your own."

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Bethel layoffs in 2008 - 300+ and counting

by sir82 in

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friends

from the mouth of one of the special pioneers assigned tour congregation:.

at least 300 have been terminated from the us bethel branch in the first month of 2008, and she expects the number to increase.

paraphrasing other comments:.

2112

We see it all the time, wifes stay with abusive husbands, the abused child clings to the abusive parent, even a whiped dog returns to his abusive master. They all do this to try and please the abuser, and have their life gain some peace that they desperatly need. The WT knows this, that is why they want the folks that are young, inexperienced, and naive. Then they can abuse them, gain their fear based loyalty, and them throw them back out to the congragations with nothing. Then, since the workers have no marketable skills, and even fewer social skills, their best bet, in the drones mind is to stay in the org. where they at least feel some since of security.

Those older ones that they are throwing out now, they too have "nowhere else to go". No money, no retirement, and no skills, or if they do have skills the modern workforce will not want them due to their age. They to are trapped, some might leave, seeing the unloving org. for what it is, but most will stay, and the WT knows that. It is a numbers game they can live with.

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Dec. 15, 2007 magazine question.

by memphisbelle in

while sitting at the meeting fighting sleep last sunday, i was reading the magazine and an interesting comment came up !

page 28 heading 4:3, in what way will jehovahs worshipers tread down the wicked?

the paragraph states "gods people on earth will not literally tread down the wicked, that is share in executing his judgement upon them.

2112

This must be old light since the April 2008 WT says we will have to get rid of "valueless things". Would not a celebration be "valueless"?

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Alarming statement in today's study article in WT...

by Mickey mouse in

paragraph 15: "as we get nearer to the outbreak of the great tribulation, we may well receive some detailed instructions.

our safe journey through those troublesome days will depend on our keeping in step with other loyal servants of jehovah.

" this in the context of a wt discussing the israelites' exodus from egypt and how jehovah had them into a position where there seemed "no way out".

2112

The real sinister part is that they are really vague in their statement. They know that the rumors and the gossip mills will take these paragraphs and spin them for all they are worth. Many JW are paranoid about life as it is so their imagination will run wild with this, as it has in the past. The GB knows that if they keep the r&f in fear they can control them.

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Never Thought About Suicide. Why not?

by Nosferatu in

i was doing some thinking this morning about my mother, when she said she wanted to "work on our bond" over a pizza, and i pretty much didn't bother with the offer.

i was thinking about how i'd confronted her before my boy was born about all the physical abuse which she denied.

i started thinking back to that time in my life, when i would shake uncontrollably thinking about school, let alone actually going to school.

2112

I've never attempted it but I think about it daily. I truly believe if I did not have my son i would just go for it. But I want to see him grow and be happy first, and he is on his way.

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Birthdays are now a matter of conscience????

by sacrebleu in

i just heard this.

i can't believe it.

does anyone know if this is true?.

2112

Just a thought, in Job his grown children were killed by Satan when he made the house they were in colapse. Why were they all in the same house? They were celebrating the birthday of one of them. (It said they were there on his day. Else where is is said the 'on his day' meant on the day he was born.) Not to be correcting anyone here but more to the same points. There are three mentions of birthdays, all ending the same way, someone dying and the hands of an evil person. What is interesting about this is that if celebrating birthdays is as bad as they say then why would God promise Job that his children would be resurrected?

I also don't understand how they could say that celebrating a birthday is worshiping the person. I've never bowed or shown obeisance to any one let alone at their birthday party.