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  Man are you people boring !!

  by kls in

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  for anal expulsion sakes people ,it's friday and you are all so boring so who wants to strip first for our amusement

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  Fatfreek

  I will -- but let me turn off the lights first -- and get my ear plugs. I hate screaming.
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  Society's batting average -- dates?

  by Fatfreek in

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  in major league baseball a 0.300 batting average is worth millions of dollars each year to the skilled hitter.

  in other words, it's very good.. what about the society's batting average when it comes to date predictions?

  we all know they didn't bat a thousand -- but hey, aren't we being too hard on them on their misses?

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  Fatfreek

  In major league baseball a 0.300 batting average is worth millions of dollars each year to the skilled hitter. In other words, it's very good.

  What about the Society's batting average when it comes to date predictions? We all know they didn't bat a thousand -- but hey, aren't we being too hard on them on their misses? I mean, excellent ball players don't get a hit every time they step to the plate.

  For the record, how many dates did they attempt to predict? How many instances were they successful? For their average we can simply divide the last number by the first number.
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  Shun Rich Food to remain celibate

  by Fatfreek in

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  i've been away for a long time and wonder if the society still advises young folks to avoid rich food when they're going to be with someone of the opposite sex.

  i suppose if you're on a date you'd want to order salad and skip the pizza.. is that what is advocated today?

  if so, is there any scientific basis to it?

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  I've been away for a long time and wonder if the society still advises young folks to avoid rich food when they're going to be with someone of the opposite sex. I suppose if you're on a date you'd want to order salad and skip the pizza.

  Is that what is advocated today? If so, is there any scientific basis to it?
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  My JW Hubby ..... help please! I think he's about to break!

  by sheshe in

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  i just registered and am so excited about being led to this site!

  my hubby (soon to be hubby that is....should i back out now?

  so, last night he agreed, at my request, to do some bible study.

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  Fatfreek

  My advice is to avoid Bible study, at least for now. The history of the organisation, and what they have published damns them. 2 books are a must, Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom both by Raymond Franz.

  Have you seen the quotes website? http://quotes.watchtower.ca/index.htm

  Excellent advice, Jaffacake.

  You will find much evidence in these, and especially from the Quotes site (simply quotations of what they, themselves, have said that prove their dishonesty.) And don't be put off by anyone that dishonest acts are merely mistakes and signs of imperfection. Dishonesty is INTENTIONAL telling of falsehoods. Someone once said that "the Watchtower's worst enemies are things they've said".
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  ESP Proof?

  by skyman in

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  yesterday i read all the posts under the thead "i need some skeptic input... dreams that come true' by googlemagoogle.

  i could not help but see that some people were very opinionated one way or the other.

  most just felt it was true because they had a dream or know some one who has.

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  Purely anecdotal evidence? Yes!!! Happenchance? You be the judge. And yes, this even has to do with my leaving the bORG -- not that it has to.

  The time was late 1977 and I had dropped my elder position, announced to my family I'd had it up to here (can you see my hand against my chin?) and I was working on a big loose end -- telling my mother. Mom, too, was a JW but in another state. We phoned each other every week but I felt I needed to tell her this sensitive announcement by way of a letter. I've still got a copy of that single-spaced, four page, heart-wrenching expository. Not a very good one by my thinking of today.

  I mailed the letter and waited for our weekly phone call deciding I'd let Mom do the calling this time. That didn't happen. I then suspected she was crushed. I sensed all kinds of bad things. I thought she probably shared the letter with the elders there and they told her to begin the shunning. To this day I don't know why but the fact is, our weekly phone calls were zilch and I continued to outwait her, feeling the ball was in her court. I'd poured out my heart and soul in that letter.

  It was now six months and I felt that was long enough. It was early 1978 when I decided to pick up the phone and call her. I dialed her number but it didn't ring. Is something wrong with this phone, I thought? I was about to hang up and try again when I heard Mom's voice from the other end, "Leonard?".

  "Mom, is that you? Did your phone ring? Did you simply pick up the phone?"

  My mother told me that her phone didn't ring, that she had called me and had the same result -- she'd heard no ring.

  The fact is, admittedly unscientific, purely anecdotal -- that we both called each other simultaneously. We hadn't talked for some six months until this moment.

  No, I never pressed her for a response to my letter. In those days there was no shunning of direct relatives and that was fine with me. I simply wanted to finally share that experience with someone because it sort of fit this thread.
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  Do you have family members or friends in the "truth" who still.............

  by ButtLight in

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  treat you as they use to ?

  im df'd and i have a family member who will still go to the bar with me, come to my house and hang out with me, but in certain situations, he wont because the witnesses may may see.

  places like restaurants where the witnesses frequently go, it wont happen.

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  Years ago, as a teenager, there were about 10 kids I knew, that were all DA'd, and I refused to stop talking to them. I told my mom, "they were never baptised, so we can't treat them as if they were." I believed then, the society was wrong on that, and what? 10 years later, they recanted it, apologised and welcomed them to come back???/

  Hey, Delilah, I've never heard of such. Then, again, I've been gone some 28 years. Please fill in some of the details on this one. Plus, the society APOLOGIZED for something? I've gotta see that one.
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  Is age an excuse to hold back?

  by stopthepain in

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  a few times me and my family have had it out about the cult,and my parents{especially my mom}who are now 50,get all craxzy sometimes.she almost acts like she's physically sick,or haveing a heart attack or something when things get heated.now i understand sheis emotional to begin with,thats what got her into this crap .but is all these factors a reason to hold back feelings?i often find myself tip-toeing around how i talk to her.i feel the fanatic state they kept thier kids(especially us o0lder 3 of 5}really had detrimental effects on us.it's not so much of what they believed,but how they held us kids back from normal growth.i don't want to make her feel terrible,but sometimes it's hard not to say things.she still clings to her meeting on sunday,and basic principlkes of the bible,but i at times feel betrayed because of her cntinuing to support that reloigion.i guess you just have to take it as comes.has this happened to anyone else?sometimes i care,sometimes i don't.i want my parents to know exactly how wrong the way they raised me was.i guess it was worse because i was so trusting.at a few times in my life,i actually beli9eved.when the rug got pulled out for me,i was left emotionally scarred.it is very difficult for me to forgive and forget.it's just the more you think about how ridicoulous there way of raising children was,the more angry i get.. its my little brothers 21 birthday tonight,and we are all going out to eat and have a few drinks{but it's not a birthday party}.i couldn't do crap in all my childhood.they taught me to hate.they used warped scare tactics on young children.they held me back socially in everyway.they caused,thru that cult,soooooo much pain,that still lingers today.will i ever truly forgive and forget,i dont think so,but thier age may spare them my full disdain.its a fine line i tread with my parents,one between love and hate.. should age matter when it comes to confronting people on this subject,one that runs deep for many of us children of the watchtowers 1980's /early 90's pinnacle of fanatisism?stp

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  Fatfreek

  Well put, Gary.
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  Kids say the funniest things!

  by whyamihere in

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  my daughter lily is 3 years old.

  she is now asking me all the body parts(all of them).

  now i am not one to hold back so i told her what she has and what her little brother has when she asked.. so anyway..... now she sings songs about it.

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  A friend of ours was heavy with her second child and was preparing to take a bath. Scotty, her 4 year old had been badgering his mother with questions about childbirth and asked one more time as she got into the tub, “where will the baby get out, Mommy?” She again brushed off young Scotty, hoping she could come up with the perfect answer the next time he asked. With bath done, as she lifted one leg out of the tub and began to towel off, she’d forgotten about Scotty’s whereabouts and was surprised to feel a teeny and cold finger in the exact spot. “Is this where, Mommy?”
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  "Snare and a racket", you gotta be kidding?

  by Fatfreek in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "religion is a snare and a racket".

  two questions:.

  1. can someone source that quotation?

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  Fatfreek

  We are going to find out real soon in Tennessee. Permits, permission from private landowners to use their property adjacent to KH's, etc. is in da works.

  Hmmm ... very interesting Honesty. First I've heard, but I have been out of touch for a long time. I have a JW son near Knoxville. Where is that event "in the works"?
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  Our invitation to our JC came today!!

  by TooOpinionated in

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  we've been expecting it since the memorial, and i was hoping it would come by registered mail so .

  i could refuse it, but noooooo, it comes in a normal first class envelope.

  actually, i thought it .

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  Fatfreek

  First off, TooOpinionated, my well wishes are heartily extended. Most of us here know what you're going through. It's been some 28 years for me and I'm still healing -- but not regretting.

  As to those legalese letters -- they all look great -- but has one of them ever worked?