I remember 2 separate (different denominations) ministers tell that jw's and Mormon's make more atheist than any other groups combined. Don't know if it is true but I found it interesting.
Posts by carla
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102If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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carla
I think you are also missing the point to believers that if one claims to speak for the Almighty God you damn well better get it right!
If you insist that your way, your doctrine, your belief is the only way, the only hope of any sort of salvation because you have some special pipeline to God, then you cannot make mistakes and blame it on human flaw. If you claim to be God's mouthpiece on Earth and you truly were you wouldn't make a mistake would you?
If you truly had any kind of blessing from God you would not care about scrutiny because everything you said would be right and true. The jw's do not allow scrutiny of any sort, what does that tell you?
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Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?
by Splash inwhat's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.
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carla
I know that some of my jw's 'friends' do have a big turkey dinner on Thanksgiving.
I remember a story here (years ago) about a young woman who was just joining the cult and the elder told her she could not go to her families traditional non jw Thanksgiving. Instead she was invited to spend the day with his family. What did she find when she got to his house? A huge Thanksgiving meal with his family and friends. If I recall the story correctly the young woman's grandmother dearly missed her at the yearly event and died shortly after that.
Yes, we had a nice Thanksgiving meal here at my house in which my jw even helped out, sat at the table and ate. Generally acting like a member of the family and having normal affection for family. A good time was had by all.
I have no idea why he 'allows' Thanksgiving but can't come to Christmas dinner's with the same attitude. To outsiders he just looks like a kook. We are still happy to have our jw at a family function though. Too bad is presence is dependent upon a bunch of weirdos in NY.
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Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?
by Splash inwhat's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.
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carla
" That is why they don't celebrate Thanksgiving."- yeah right. I think most jw's do in fact do Thanksgiving even if they sit around a table with a turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing & cranberry sauce telling each other that it is not Thanksgiving, it is. Doesn't matter if they it do it on Fri, Sat or Sun instead of Thurs to the rest of the sane world they ARE celebrating Thanksgiving. They just had to get everybody together on a different day like the rest of us do at times.
Anyway, I am assuming they say a prayer or grace thanking God/jah for life,food, etc... All part of Thanksgiving.
If they really wanted to claim they don't do Thanksgiving they would not eat turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing, pumpkin pie or cranberry sauce the entire month of Nov. Just like many jw's will not wear red or green the entire month of Dec lest somebody think they are celebrating Christmas.
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What Would Happen If A Governing Body Member Was In Russia After The Label Of Extremist Was Held Up In Court
by Brokeback Watchtower inwould they get their visa revoked?
would they be arrested?
if i remember right didn't one new guy gb go to the procedings and was there for appeal?
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carla
I think we should send all of them and find out!
or, maybe North Korea will take them?
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Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?
by Splash inwhat's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.
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carla
This is a good question, just bumping it up to the top.
My guess would be that they are not required to or that it would take honor away from jah or some such nonsense. Besides, it also consists of giving gifts and we know how jw's do not do gifts no matter what they say about the 'other' 364 days of the year that they are allowed to give gifts besides Christmas.
Can you imagine all the jw women who would be focusing on a holiday meal, gifts, candles, menorah's, scheduling time with family & friends and having a generally good time? can't have that now can we?
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Should I stay or should I go?
by BlackWolf inhello everyone, i haven't posted anything on here for a while and today i just really felt like i needed to get my thoughts together.
(if you don't know me please read some of my previous posts).
so pretty much not much has changed in my life, i'm still living with my parents and going to all the meetings and service.
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carla
What Giordino said!
I know many young people who have little to no support from family and are going to college or trade school. Will they have debt? yes, but they also have freedom of mind while doing so, they have the freedom to choose to go to college or learn a trade. A few of these kids work on campus and work as advisers to be able to stay in the dorms without getting an apartment. No, they don't really like being seniors with babysitting jobs (immature freshmen) but it pays the bills so to speak.
There are also many great online colleges & degrees if you do some research on it.
At some point won't your jw parents try to tell you that you are spending too much time on college/homework anyway?
If you continue going door to door will you be able to live with yourself if actually managed to bring somebody into this insidious cult knowing what you know now?
Lots of places are hiring seasonal workers right now, in fact I have not been in one store/restaurant etc... that has not had a help wanted sign up. Might not be your dream job but if it helps you to achieve your goals why not?
It is not your responsibility to keep the family together and in agreement. Your job is to live your life. Part of becoming an adult is knowing that you cannot make everybody happy. Your parents and extended family have all made their choices, now it is your turn.
Wishing you a joyful full life!
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"In a human moment before Jehovah grabbed her"
by truthseeker ini often wondered how far back the witnesses had been involved with my family.
my grandmother died at the end of 2013 and while going through her photos we found some of my great-grandmother, dora, who was born in 1901 and died in 1994. there is a photo of dora dated 1946 standing outside her house in east riding, yorkshire.
on the back of the photo her husband had written "in a human moment before jehovah grabbed her".. my great grandfather, who died before i was born, did not like the witnesses.
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carla
Love it! I would get along with your grandpa! signed a fellow ubm, I too have pre jw memories before jah grabbed my spouse.
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Bought My First Christmas Tree Last Night
by pale.emperor inlast year i didn't bother with christmas as it still felt like a "nothing" day to me (thanks watchtower!).
this is the 2nd christmas since waking up and leaving the cult and i've finally bought my first christmas tree:).
i have no idea what to do with it though.
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carla
I love these posts!! Have fun making memories with your little one.
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Confusion with 'Message of Judgement'
by Listener inthere has been some discussion regarding the change in the jws message so i thought i would have a listen to the recent annual meeting to try to get an idea as to why the jws are not clear on the matter, once again.
it's strange that the annual meeting hasn't been put on jw org tv to date.it looks like the confusion stems from a talk given by tight pants tony and i've written out a part of that talk.
his talk was titled 'making our blows count'.
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carla
I am hoping the message of judgement is against the jw's! Maybe they need to look to their own before worrying about the rest of us. damn hypocrites.