"... turns up to the convention in a white suit, sunglasses and white shoes."- Wouldn't a jw get in trouble for that? standing out too much? or were you joking?
Posts by carla
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41Things I Cant Stand Since Leaving Watchtower
by pale.emperor inwhat a breath a fresh air to be free of watchtower.
now i can finally rant about the things i put up with that i'd never put up with now.. in no particular order:.
little kids in suits.
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carla
Nice winged symbol! a quick Google search -
"Going back even further, it seems likely the winged skull symbol was an evolution of winged disk and winged figure symbols. Found in many ancient cultures around the world, the winged disk almost always represents solar energy. The Assyrian winged disk represents the sun God Shamash; the Egyptian figure, the sun God Re. Some believe the figure is based on the appearance of the sun's corona during a solar eclipse. This ancient symbol has several embodiments of the alchemical “union of opposites”, an ancient doctrine which accepts a syncretism of conflicting views, a harmony as opposed to a never-ending conflict between Good and Evil."
With all the superstitions jw's have and how things in the past were use for xyz (name your evil thing) how can they not look on the entire wt org with it's winged symbols (not to mention the wt symbol itself) and not get the willies?
Can't have a birthday because once someone got their head lopped off at a birthday party (forget one guy got to live) but it is ok to use symbols of questionable beginnings (in their minds) because they no longer have any 'meaning'? how do current jw's reconcile this in their minds? put it on the back burner and hope it goes away?
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Shunning: Extreme apathy!
by StephaneLaliberte ini thought i'd share this one with the group.
many years ago, my mom was disfellowshipped.
then, my sister passed away in a car accident, she was fairly young, as she was in her early 20s.
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carla
Pepperheart, yes, take the books and rags but do not dispose of them. Keep them or send them to an anti jw organization/ministry, etc... some jw's do not believe previous teachings and need to see the actual books & mags and even then they sometimes think some apostate made the offending old light rag just to trick them, real story, not for today though.
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so its discussions with people..
by zeb inso the wt mag is all but gone just a few a year.
thus a big gap in the sunday program?
no more year books.
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carla
"are told they will witness with a conversation"- how damn stupid is that?! They have to be told to have an actual conversation with people? wow! who knew?
Now, how many jw's can actually have a real conversation with people? Meaning, will they stop to listen to what the door has to say rather than have a ready stock answer from their clam meeting? How can they have real conversations when they are not allowed to look at opposing information? they are uninformed about all the sexual abuse cases, etc...etc...
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Update on the $4000 day fine - Padron v Watchtower
by berrygerry infrom reddit:.
this was an oral argument to dismiss the $4000/day fine.
both sides presented their arguments and now the judges will write an opinion (30 to 90 days).
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carla
Thank you for the update! I was just thinking about that case the other day.
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Who has a harder time leaving JW's - Born Ins or those who converted?
by HeyLittleGirl inmy freind (who is also out) and i were talking about this the other night.
i was a born-in, 3rd generation jw and she converted when she was in her late 20's.. when she left, she said that she knew the world wasn't as bad as she was told as a jw, so she knew she would be fine.
also, she still had lots of "worldly" family who welcomed her back with open arms.. it was harder for me - i had nobody in the "world", no family or freinds.
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carla
Tough call. Born in's will lose so much more than a convert (family, friends & possibly employment, etc..). As the above poster mentioned adapting to the outside world would be much harder for a born in.
On the other hand, the convert who has been annoying family & friends the whole while will have to eat some serious crow in their minds. You know how hard a newbie jw tries to convert family & friends with the 'truth'! Most of us non jw's would not even bring it up and be overjoyed if our loved ones left the cult. Heck, my family gets excited when my jw skips out of fs or meeting on the rare occasion. Naturally we say nothing if he skips out, we just act as if it is any other day. You can't imagine the elation if he actually left.
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Jonestown
by Akid48 indoes any one think the wt is going to go out this way?i know its dark but i can see it going down that way but i dont see it being the way there would go down..
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carla
Dear Akid,
I worry about you. You should be out having fun being a kid not having to worry about all this jw crap.
Wishing you the best.
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Who is the "faithful and discreet slave"? & JW class system
by Counter-Watchtower inive asked my jw friends that 3 times and never got an answer.. and can someone explain the jw class system?
and or point me to info on it..
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carla
My jw always has said they don't have a class system. They are all the same blah, blah ,blah...... and in other news I have bridge to sell you.....
Someone had a really good chart comparing jw's to Catholic hierarchy, I forget where.
In my mind the hierarchy of jw's goes something like this-
jah (or so they say)
gb
Jesus comes in a good second I guess with the gb
co's or whatever they are called now
elders
pioneers
rank & file unless you are female then you would be next to last
male children
female
female children
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Can Today's JW Logically Explain Their Beliefs?
by minimus inwhen i was a jw, i relished explaining my beliefs and why we had the truth!
lol.
todays witness has no clue , in my opinion..
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carla
Did you mean can they explain their beliefs this week? At one time it would depend on the next issue of the wt, now with only a few coming out a year perhaps it will be easier if the darn doors would just stay on the jw scripted topic!
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Does JW Org Have Goons Like Scientology?
by Counter-Watchtower ini guess this would be a good question to ask.
does jw org have goons they send after ppl to threaten them?
or to inflict violence on?
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carla
Aren't the elders who stalk people "goons"? Same difference to me.
A number of stories come to mind, like when an elder puts his foot in the door of someone who is trying to fade and he bullies his way in, I remember one story of a lady who came out of her shower in a towel on the upper floor to find 2 elders in her foyer wanting to talk to her right then and there (that was the gist of the story), then there is the poster here (I apologize for forgetting his name at the moment) who joined the military but the elders were tracking down people who knew him (non jw's) to find out where he was and he finally had to send a pic of himself in his uniform before the elders would quit harassing his friends. The stories are endless.
Are the elders just as goon like as the Scientologists? I would say so, they may not be physically violent but the power they hold over the mental/spiritual well being of a jw is the same. Not to mention holding all friends and family hostage if one changes their beliefs.
I had a number of jw women who wouldn't leave me alone years ago. My threats (to my jw) of showing up at the kh and informing the whole damn cong (in my own special way) didn't even stop them. What finally stopped them? A letter to NY that finally made it down the pipeline to the local elders who had to tell the women my house was a do not call. Now why should I have had to go through all that? I would thought the first time I told them to piss off (in more or less words) they would have gotten the hint. Hell no, even the r & f are sometimes "goons".
I won't even go on about the times my own jw acted "goon" like to friends and family. Maybe they need a 'No, means NO' wt rag to come out? They are like sophomoric boys who think no means yes or maybe. But then we are talking about the wt and we know how they like to redefine words.