My wife was asked once when witnessing " Why do you take the number 144000 as literal when the rest of the book of Revelation is figurative?"
She didn't have an answer. Never thought of it before....ever. Dumb reasoning like it only mentions one lamb....lame is more like it.
Good luck with your search, hope that you can reason on what has been presented thus far. I have enjoyed your topic and the replies.
Have you used e-sword? Bible research software mostly free.
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Question about the Anointed
by Zico ini have just joined this site after having been visiting as a guest for a few months.
i am searching for answers so please be patient with me.
a friend of mine in the congregation has directed me to this site as he has been having doubts about the organization, though he said he never posts on it.
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New Invitations for the "Deliverance at Hand" DC
by dorayakii in.
the front of this new watchtower-sized invitation features a common painting of the jw paradise and the theme of his years distirct convention, "deliverance at hand" emblazened across the front.
it looks like they're trying to work up armageddon fervour again.. .
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What is missing out of the picture is the "warlocks", but then they only tend to come out at night dont they!???
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Strange Sudden DF'ing/Baptism Nullification ATTN. LURKERS
by unique1 inok well per my post yesterday most of you know i was suddenly disfellowshipped after my letter of baptism nullification.
i called the presiding overseer to ask why.
i specifically listed in my letter that i was not to be disfellowshipped nor was i disassociating myself.
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Would the dubs who "actually" read thier new rule book realize that the announcement is the same for DA and DF and that this bland statement implies exactly the same weight and response as the old DF announcement?
That is those who read the book?
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Dan Sydlik dies, the last of the moderating forces.
by SadElder inour good friend dan sydlik died today about 2 pm eastern time.
he was the last of the moderating forces on the gb.
lately he has had little influence among the ted (aka the boss) jaracz (head of the bethel cia - the service department) henchmen and loyalists.
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Could it be as Jesus described " A blind mand leading a blind man?" And they both end up falling into the pit?
So how old was he? 86?
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Annoucement about "Accidents and Emergencies" at Convention
by stillAwitness inapril 2006 km:
accidents and emergencies: emergency-response services have complained that they receive many cell-phone calls over minor matters.
if a medical emergency arises at the convention site, please contact a nearby attendant, who will immedietly notiy first aid so that our qualified personnel on site can assess the seriousness of the situation and render assistance.
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Perhaps LIABILITY is the deciding factor as to who get to call 911. Are we in the clear? Yes Brother, call 911. Did this person slip and fall over someones bag, perhaps we can drive you home?...... just a thought
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2007 District Conventions
by dozy ini've heard from 2 independent and impeccable sources "close to the gb" (i should have been a journalist!
) that the 2007 conventions are all to be held within a one month period.
as stadiums are often booked up to five years in advance , this has caused consternation among district overseers and at least one stadium has charged the jws several thousands of pounds in a penalty clause to cancel and reschedule the booking.
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Keep on the armageddon watch...... more bs to keep R & F mind locked is all
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I'm sick of the witnesses bragging about their memorial attendance!!!
by Highlander ini'm growing tired of the phone calls from witness relatives proclaiming how wonderful it was that we had 203 in attendance, or 180, or 265, or whatever the number happens to be.
for whomever is calling.
someone from my old, old congregation informed me they had 203 and this person was just giddy about it.
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Heaps of once a year attenders. How sad. Imagine wasting a perfectly good evening going to attend that! I wonder why they attend at all? If you can be "saved" by going to the memorial once a year, that might be one thing, but there is no salvation in JWdom at all.
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Do you still say you are a JW?
by architect inthe lastest study article says in a nut shell that we should tell our new workmates/employer that we are a jw..for you folks who do not attend anymore or you've got out of the "theocratic routine" do you still make it know you are a jw?
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I do not say I AM a JW. To the dubs, we are inactive, materialistic, pleasure seeking. To those others that matter, I am happy to tell them we dont go anymore, and they always want to know why and I tell them heaps.
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Secret info from Page 143 of the ks book:
This is page 143. Blank in the ks91 book but with carefully dictated paragraphs:
k.s. p143 addendum
Child Abuse. Ref Letters: A.B.E Aug 29th 1989 pg 3; LLA 10/10/2002; 28/8/02.
Legal ramifications.
In cases of either accusation or allegations of child abuse, immediately contact the society. Do Not talk to anyone else.
If a brother or a sister confesses to child abuse, ask them not to speak to anyone else till you get back to them, and contact the society immediately.
In contacting the society simply state “Matter involving Child Abuse” and the switchboard will put you through.
*If interviewed by the police, tell them you are not prepared to make a statement until you have sought legal advice. Contact society immediately or a local barrister if necessary.
*If presented with a search warrant or a subpoena, the last resort is to hand over any material. (Cong file) Find out exactly what is wanted and hand over only that. Preferably seek legal advice first. (stall)
Read the warrant. Write on envelope “Ecclesiastical privilege claimed, not to be opened until matter is determined by court.
*Expressions that are not to be used on S77 & S79 forms:
6 expressions that should not be used on the S77 and S79 forms are:
1) Anything eluding to or naming one of the societies lawyers.
2) Any mention of the Legal Department.
3) Any comments referring to direction from the society.
4) Any comments mentioning anyone other than the committee itself as a possible influence in the decision reached.
5) Any comment that might suggest to someone with a critical eye that the committee did not reach it’s decision on it’s own, but instead, somehow yielded to the influence of an outside party.
6) Any comments indicating that the elders mishandled the case or committed and error in the investigation or the judicial process.
• see also pages 122 and 101.
Letter to A.B.A June 30, 1995.
All material related to judicial matters should be kept in a safe place, accessible only to Elders. Final reports on handling of judicial matters should be kept in a sealed envelope in the congregation file.
A Judicial Committee should avoid sending to an individual, any kind of correspondence that accuses him of specific wrongdoing. (note: k.s91 pp110-111)
Nothing should be put in writing to any disfellowshipped person to advise him of his status or the reasons for it without specific direction from the society. The rules and procedures of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not require such written disclosures. Anything in writing submitted to a Judicial Committee should be kept in strict confidence. If a Judicial Committee disfellowships an individual, he should be informed orally of the action taken and of the right to appeal.
If the wrongdoer refuses to attend the hearing, two members of the judicial Committee should attempt to contact the individual at his home and inform him orally of the decision. If this is not possible the two elders may be able to inform him by telephone.
Unit 5 (c) 143
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My invite to the special talk.
by PoppyR inso my mother 'invited' me to the special talk today.. made me smile that at least she knows i would not be going otherwise (i'm not going anyway!).
she handed me the watchtower with the invitation printed on it and said i could keep it.
i just said thank you, put the wt down on her table and left it there.
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Special Talk.....hmmmmmm
Gave a couple, yeah what is so special? It is a new outline from the "faithful slave" [puek!!] It gets worked into all the other outlines and becomes just another talk!
Enjoy your lay in. Our sunday special is Bacon, Eggs and Toast, fresh coffee/tea and a relaxing start to the day.