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  What are the chances of getting another Raymond Franz default from head office ?

  by Chook in

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  all regimes get defectors and some are more vocal than others..

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  slimboyfat

  Probably quite slim chances.

  One of the most striking things about CofC is just how reluctant Raymond Franz was to leave the GB and the organisation. Despite all his doubts and differences with JW teaching and policy, he actually wanted to stay.

  Sometimes I think Franz is misunderstood as having decided to leave JWs of his own accord over a "crisis of conscience" but that's not what his book actually says. He tried very hard to evade expulsion, but he apparently had some powerful enemies on the GB, and in the febrile post-1975 atmosphere they were determined to get rid of him.

  It's an unusual set of circumstances that's probably unlikely to be repeated. If there are GB members with doubts or differences they are likely to stay where they are unless very strong (probably personal) motivations compel them otherwise.
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  Brussels Central station was evacuated Tuesday amid reports of an explosion and at least one man shot who shouted "Allahu Akbar,"

  by freemindfade in

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  it looks like these attacks in europe are going from weekly, to daily, it literally gives me chills to think about traveling to europe with my family.

  that is very unfortunate.

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  I thought I'd been to this station but I mixed it up with Bruxelles Midi which is (confusingly - for me) Brussels South. I love train stations. Brussels South (like Brussels generally) is a bit run down and old fashioned. It has a low roof a bit like a cave, but it has its own character. In the last few years police with guns have been visible at all times. So I'm not surprised the man got shot pretty quickly.

  Antwerp on the other hand is a beautiful station, maybe one of the best. Don't see so many police there. I wouldn't hesitate to visit anywhere in Europe. You're far more likely to get hurt crossing the road. So be careful in the traffic and forget about the extremists.
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  HOUSE, M.D., Jehovah's Witnesses, and '75

  by compound complex in

  1. social
  2. humour

  season 7, episode 18: "the dig".

  house picks up "thirteen" -- dr. remy hadley -- upon her release from prison.

  she asks him to take her to a certain location in order to take care of a personal matter.

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  slimboyfat

  What happened in Scrubs, did the JW live or not?
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  Who holds the Burden Of Proof?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  when we as former witnesses wake up and choose to leave the society, it is mainly because we value truth and honesty.. the society tries to make out that we are in the wrong.

  that we have "left the truth".. but, who really holds the burden of proof?

  do we (who leave) need to prove that the society is not the "truth", or does the society need to prove that it is the "truth".. thoughts?.

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  I found that it goes one step further than that even. I was challenged by a JW who found out about my doubts. Not only should prove to him that JWs don't have the truth. But I was challenged to answer the question: if JWs don't have the truth, then who does? The implication seemed to be that, unless I could supply a completely convincing alternative total system of truth, then JWs remain "the truth" by default.

  I think there are lots of good things about JWs and I am optimistic about reform. I also think that truth is relative to the perspective you are viewing it from.
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  Letter to my JW elder brother

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i sent the following letter to my older brother, a jw elder in grand prairie, texas, who actively shuns me since i left the religion for conscientious reasons two years ago.. may 11, 2017. dear ronnie,.

  in the opening scenes of the movie gone with the wind, a field worker hollers out, “”quttin’ time!” big sam protests, saying, “i’s da fo’man on tara.

  i sez when it’s quittin’ time.

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  slimboyfat

  ;-)

  
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  Letter to my JW elder brother

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i sent the following letter to my older brother, a jw elder in grand prairie, texas, who actively shuns me since i left the religion for conscientious reasons two years ago.. may 11, 2017. dear ronnie,.

  in the opening scenes of the movie gone with the wind, a field worker hollers out, “”quttin’ time!” big sam protests, saying, “i’s da fo’man on tara.

  i sez when it’s quittin’ time.

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  I wonder if former elders can weigh in on this:

  in fact, since I voluntarily disassociated and was never disfellowshiped for wrongdoing, I could renounce my disassociation tomorrow and resume being a JW again with no restrictions whatsoever, as opposed to those disfellowshiped for wrongdoing.

  I don't think that's correct, unfortunately. If you have disassociated, and if you want to return, you need to sit at the back of the hall and be shunned for six months or more, just like a DFed person, before being reinstated.

  The narrative of evolution can resemble a kind of religion.

  Scotland would be better off independent.

  There is no such thing as fixed truth, everything is relative and subject to revision.
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  Complete this sentence with only one word: THE TIME REMAINING IS...

  by steve2 in

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  the time remaining is... elastic.. .

  stash: /intesoft-inc.appspot.com/post/f0315d7a1cdf4d6498064881689ea032.html

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  slimboyfat

  What a good idea for an Edwin Morgan type poem!

  The time remaining is...

  The time remaining is tantalising

  The time remaining is infantilising

  The time remaining is short skirts

  The time remaining is Witness carts

  The time remaining is surprising

  The time remaining is revising

  The time remaining is repetitive

  The time remaining is a sedative

  The time remaining is a saying

  The time remaining ain't delaying

  The time remaining is a slog

  The time remaining is a panting dog

  The time remaining is expectation

  The time remaining is confrontation
  

  The time remaining is reprieve

  The time remaining disbelieve

  The time remaining is without doubt

  The time remaining - don't tire out!

  The time remaining is remaining

  And remaining and remaining and remaining

  The time remaining is quite draining

  The time remaining is not complaining

  The time remaining is a lie

  The time remaining death defy

  The time remaining is for wimps

  The time remaining creaps and limps

  The time remaining is determined

  The time remaining is foretold

  The time remaining isn't burdened

  The time remaining sure is bold

  The time remaining is running out of steam

  The time remaining is living in a dream

  The time remaining is destructive
  

  The rhyme pertaining is deconstructive

  The wheels have fallen off the cart

  The short skirts blow in the wind

  And need no explaining

  My friend

  In the rhyme remaining
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  More scullduggery in the New World Translation?

  by NikL in

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  2. bible

  i was reading in jude last night in the esv bible.. i came across this little gem as i was falling asleep and woke right up.. jude 1:5.

  5 now i want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that jesus, who saved a people out of the land of egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

  jesus who saved a people out of egypt?

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  slimboyfat

  See this blog where there is a discussion in support of the change in NA-28 from "Lord" to "Jesus".

  http://historicaljesusresearch.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/jesus-saved-people-from-egypt-jude-5-in.html

  See also George Howard's discussion (on pages 81 and 82) of Jude 5 and his argument that the divine name stood in the original.

  http://digidownload.libero.it/domingo7/howard.pdf

  Interesting discussion of the textual variants here:

  https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/2895/who-led-the-people-of-israel-out-of-egypt-in-jude-5

  Particularly striking is P72 (an early papyrus fragment from the third or fourth century) which has the unique reading "God Christ".
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  More scullduggery in the New World Translation?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading in jude last night in the esv bible.. i came across this little gem as i was falling asleep and woke right up.. jude 1:5.

  5 now i want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that jesus, who saved a people out of the land of egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

  jesus who saved a people out of egypt?

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  slimboyfat

  From memory this is the situation:

  There are both issues of textual variation and interpretation involved here.

  The reason some translations have "Lord" and others have "Jesus" is because of differences among the early manuscripts and disagreement about which reading is original.

  The NWT was originally based on the text of Westcott and Hort, which presumably had the reading "Lord".

  The NWT replaces the word "Lord" with "Jehovah" 1) in those instances where it appears in a quotation from the OT that contains the divine name, 2) where there is an allusion to an OT passage that speaks about Jehovah, or 3) where the word is used in a phrase that includes the divine name in the OT. (Such as "angel of Jehovah" or "word of Jehovah")

  This verse appears to fall into the second category, an allusion to an OT passage referring to Jehovah.

  Many other versions have "Lord" in this verse, Since most Bible interpreters believe "Lord" can refer to either God or Jesus in the NT, there are differences of opinion over whether it is here talking about the "Lord God' or the "Lord Jesus". For many commentators the verses from Corinthians mentioned swing it in favour of Jesus.

  Now the reason the ESV uses "Jesus" instead of "Lord" is because (if memory serves me right) the latest version of the Greet Text Nestle-Aland 28th edition changed the previous decision for "Lord" in favour of the reading "Jesus".

  Nevertheless opinion remains divided about which reading is most likely original. Bible scholar Bruce Metzger ranked the verse D (on a scale A to D) as most difficult to determine the original reading, or where the reading carries the greatest uncertainty.

  The 2013 edition of the NWT said it referred to the latest edition of the Greek text when preparing the revision. Apparently they did not follow the new edition in its reading of this text but stuck with the previous consensus "Lord" and changed it to "Jehovah" according to their practice, and in line with their argument that the original NT text contained the divine name in such passages.

  Bible scholar George Howard also argued that the original NT used the divine name. The high number of textual variants involving "Lord", "God", "Jesus" and "Christ" was part of his argument. I think he cited Jude 5 as an example to make his point.

  So Jehovah's Witnesses are not alone in believing that Jude 5 refers to Jehovah, or even that the divine name may have stood in the original text.
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  2. current

  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  slimboyfat

  Yes thanks to the first past the post electoral system, 11 seats on 30% of the vote, second pace to Labour with 41 seats on 36%.

  Anyway the point isn't how close to winning they were (which was pretty close anyway) the point is that the UK government were scared enough of the "SNP threat" to suppress the reality of North Sea oil revenue at the time and misinform the public.