"Most modern rock music has a beat that is designed to excite libido which is why it is considered debasing music." --Heard from elder during a talk
---Banshee
what are some of the stupidest comments made in the watchtower, or by a circuit overseer or elder that you've never forgotten?
the one about" the rapist being human" too, ranks right up there....like we're supposed to feel bad for him?
"Most modern rock music has a beat that is designed to excite libido which is why it is considered debasing music." --Heard from elder during a talk
---Banshee
2 elders mentioned in their parts in the tms and sm, that just because a person is a witness, it doesn't mean that they they are acceptable association.
if someone misses a lot of meetings, rarely goes out in field service and is not the best example, we should not want to associate with such ones.
i clearly see a line being drawn in the sand.
They are always and evermore promoting this judging others. Completely opposed to what Jesus (whom they claim to follow) commanded at Matthew 7: 1. Also, I remember that, while I was a JW, I hated when I would see others in the congregation be treated differently (looked down upon) by the elders and their wives, pioneers, CO's DO's, etc. because they weren't quite "exemplary".
Most of the non "exemplary" people were a heck of a lot nicer and more sincere than those other bozos!
haven't posted much of late, very tied down with work and enjoying the hols at the mo, a very xmas to you all......thought i'd relate this to you......to cut a long story short, i eventually emailed my dub sister on some family business and then at the end of my mail in a low key manner wrote that i heard something interesting about the wts and them being affiliated, and i mentioned the generation change for good measure, and left it at that.....within half an hour i rec'ed my first email from my sister also discussing the family business and then she said she was interested in the un thing, never heard of it?!?!?!
(her hubby and brother are both elders) could i send her more information.......she also went on to say that yes the definition of the generation did change but it wasnt a major doctrine like "blood" !?!?!?!?!?!
and many people left "the truff" because of it...............so i wrote back with a synopsis and a link to "randy's" page on the matter..............a few days passed and i had to write to her again and i asked her if she had looked in to it and her words were, "i must of been walking around with my ears shut cause everybody else knows about but me, but i will into it more..................anyway i'm hoping i've sown a few seeds of doubt in there, albeit i felt some of her comments were strange....................your comments are welcome on my next plan of action.
Jonathanseagull,
It sure feels good to assist family members in taking the blinders off, doesn't it? Keep up the good work and don't get discouraged or rattled even if you encounter some initial fear and anger from your loved ones as you begin to expose the lies. Good luck!
Banshee
during the thocratic school during our tuesday meetings, i dreaded hearing the bell.
*ding* someone had run over 5 minutes and had to cut their talk short.. this part always disturbed me.
nevermind the fact that these people worked hard to prepare their talk about something they felt was worthwhile, they have to be humiliated and cut off in front of the whole congregation.
I don't think I ever got the bell, but I remember seeing my mom get it. She looked so emberrassed and humiliated and I felt awful for her. And, yeah, it pissed me off!
By and large, the Theocratic Ministry School overseers were ignorant nimrods. One I remember was counselling on pronunciation and said the word this way: pronownciation. Another was trying to counsel a sister on grammar and said at the end of it, "You done real good."
Others I remember, who were perhaps not quite so ignorant were awfully sharp in their criticism of pubs, especially to the sisters. Not teeribly surprising, since that religion attracts mysoginists.
well, after 10 months, the jw's finally came knocking on my apartment - on christmas day!
in my head, i was going to debate with them, maybe even reason with them.....what actually happened is that for some reason, all of the emotional things inside of me came to the fore and i waited until they were leaving my apartment, i opened up my door, grabbed the tract, crumpled it into a ball, threw it at them and rattled off a string of profanities (which i won't repeat here, out of respect for simon's rules).
i was really mad at myself for doing this, but at the same time it provided an immense cartharsis for me.
Funchback,
LMAO over here! Right on the money. I love how you kinda made it seem like a Service meeting demo. Too cool.
not from god then its falsefalse predictions.
/ false teachers wolves amidst the true flock .
jehovah god says no one can come to him except through( jesus christ ) .
I agree with JT 100%. That worked the best for me. I took a long break from everything even remotely religious. Then, I went to some churches to observe. Today, I don't go to church, per se...but my boyfriend and I found a little independent church close to our summer place up north where they have a Bible sudy. No doctrine or dogma is discussed. We just read a passage and each person is free to comment on what it means to them (without fear of being criticized by others present, I might add!).
As for me, I found that I don't need to be in a religion or go to a church in order to be a spiritual person.
well, after 10 months, the jw's finally came knocking on my apartment - on christmas day!
in my head, i was going to debate with them, maybe even reason with them.....what actually happened is that for some reason, all of the emotional things inside of me came to the fore and i waited until they were leaving my apartment, i opened up my door, grabbed the tract, crumpled it into a ball, threw it at them and rattled off a string of profanities (which i won't repeat here, out of respect for simon's rules).
i was really mad at myself for doing this, but at the same time it provided an immense cartharsis for me.
Skeptic,
I know what you mean. I always felt pretty guilty intruding on people's time with their families on Christmas. I even had some people tell me on the return visit that they only took the publication/magazines to get me out of the way. It was awful how the Society would really put the pressure on to go out door to door during the holidays.
does anyone remember particularly evil wives of circuit overseers?.
i remember one, a little chinese "lady" known as norma.
absolutely hated kids.
I remember on CO's wife who was pretty nasty. She teamed up with the Super Self Righteous pioneers on her visits. Yeah....she and they were real pals during the visit. And she was very cold towards any attractive young sisters in the congregations...barely civil and the two finger handshake for them. Her husband pretty much deserved her, though. He was a real a**hole to anyone who did not suck up to him & his wife.
Ah, yes....and speaking of nutters, you guys, my grandmother was one of those who spotted demons everywhere. When her father died, she scared me and my siblings pretty badly by angrily throwing lots of valuable antiques into a bonfire (as well as the rest of the contents of the house) because she claimed they were demonized cuz her mom had done a little of the old Irish fortunelling stuff.
while many have had their hopes dashed concerning the change on this "generation " teaching, there is yet another teaching yet to fall very soon.it must and will fall because it connected to the generation doctrine that has already been changed.. the teaching that could shortly cause the governing body a serious problem and could bring about a major change for the vast majority of the rank and file is "the great tribulation".while this teaching has been put off to the " indefinite future"the gb.continues to have a serious problem with it.if the great tribulation fails to occur reasonably soon,the doctrine concerning the earthly hope for the vast majority of jw's.will have proven to have been false.the' great crowd' are those who will have come out of the great tribulation.according to the society those persons began to be identified as present as early as 1932.so the youngest members are now in their 70's or 80's.. again, the time-line is running out!
and has the potential of adversely affecting hundreds of thousands of other witnesses in the not to distant future,as time passes without the fulfilment of their hopes for a new heavens and a new earth.. also, some time ago,there was a watchtower study article, i don't remember which one it was .it spiritualized, armageddon!
psalm 91,especially verse 7.it said that a thousand will fall at your very side and ten thousand at your right hand,applies to those leaving the org.
First we get new light
Which then becomes old light.
Rank and file wonder
Is this a freakin' strobe light?
They do a bit of research and
Conclude there was NO light!
-----Banshee P.S. Merry Christmas everyone!
since i am free from the chains of the wt and their rules, i am becoming so much more open minded to looking into other forms of spiritulity.
i just read comf's thread about his wicca experience and it was soooo interesting .
i know many on this board have their own way of dealing with their need for spirituality.
Scootegirl, well said! As I was reading your post, I was remembering some of my own experiences and feelings during the beginning of my spiritual journey.
We each have the choice whether or not to/when to/how to embark on the journey. And it is a wonderful thing to have choices now, isn't it? My own spiritual sojourn has thus far been very rewarding...and it is certainly not over yet! Good luck and courage to all who are getting ready to venture forth on a spiritual path!