Wait! Nathan - was he a tall slender black guy?!?! If so i remember him well now - we used to ball together...
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ex-Brooklyn Bethelites on this site
by James2300 inhey everyone,.
i've never posted on any of these site before but i thought this might be worthwhile.
i was at brooklyn bethel from 1998-2001. i worked in the laundry.
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everone is in confusion
by zolensky ini joined this site last week hoping to meet people that would steer me back to the organization.
instead the people i have talked to her are all trying to tell me too see the light and get out of the organization.
in my opinion, not that it matters, i really think that if a person had the truth deeply ingrained in them, they would never leave the truth.
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Welcome, Zol...
Only thing I can add to all of these comments is this:
I spent 5 years in the heart of the organization - Brooklyn Bethel. 3 months after leaving Bethel I left the org all together and have not looked back. Why? Because I recognized that something was not right. I witnessed GB members giving morning worship and stating their own personal ideas and beliefs as what SHOULD BE. I realized that they are a group of normal men trying to make their corporation last and be successful. If these men are imperfect, how is it right for them to set rules that determine the righteousness of everyone? If they are directly influenced by God, then there should be no imperfections in their writings. All of the Biblical writers were imperfect men, yet they were inspired by God, correct? And people deem their instructions to be the Word of God, so why can't the same be applied to the GB?
Lastly, I challenge any JW to show me the evidence that this organization without question is the only one to have God's favor and support. There have been numerous reasons why they DON'T have his spirit, so I'd love to hear the reasons why you think they do.
Welcome to the board...open your mind and allow yourself to challenge everything you've been taught. If it's the truth, there should be no way to persuade you otherwise, so what do you have to loose? :-)
Take care,
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ex-Brooklyn Bethelites on this site
by James2300 inhey everyone,.
i've never posted on any of these site before but i thought this might be worthwhile.
i was at brooklyn bethel from 1998-2001. i worked in the laundry.
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i was in brooklyn from 93 - 98. worked in Purchasing/Brooklyn Warehouse....
I remember the name Nathan Mills - would remember the face if I saw him...
do you know Micah Barlow? Miss that guy like CRAZY. He was one of my closest friends...
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Reality check: World less happy about America
by Pathofthorns infacinating results from a global poll relating to public opinions of america in various countries around the world.. [url] http://www.torontostar.com/nasapp/cs/contentserver?pagename=thestar/layout/article_type1&c=article&cid=1035775217105&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724[/url].
a major survey on international opinion released in washington yesterday shows u.s. popularity has plunged across much of the world amid mounting perceptions that the united states is running roughshod over other nations.
the planet's sole superpower commands only tepid affection, just as the u.s. government struggles to win international support for a possible military incursion against iraq as the next stage in its war on terrorism.. in fact, the prospect of a u.s.-led offensive aimed at overthrowing iraqi dictator saddam hussein has become a major irritant between washington and even its closest allies.. .
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"I know that people are scared of what the future will be if the USA attacks Iraq. Most important who is next. There will be more I am sure. But we have two choices with groups that decide to use civilians as cannon fodder to push their ideology. Fight back, or cower in fear of when the next terror attack will come."
2 choices, eh? Thats it? THIS is the typical attitude of America. America sports the "were bigger and badder" attitude "If we dont like you we will kill you." America knows nothing about..hmmmm.NEGOTIATING? Theyve got to fight their way into and out of EVERYTHING. Fight fight fight. Just because we can doesnt mean we have to. The Asians have the whole martial art culture, but most of it is for self-defense, not offensive. But Americans? Aggressiveness is the only way its all they know, thats why the murder rate is 10 times more than it is in Canada or Australia.
America is putting out a skillet fire without turning the burner off.
Whats so terribly impossible or wrong about trying to figure out how we can use our own resources in a more efficient way so as not to HAVE to depend on THEIR resources? Thats the whole problem USA is pushing their way into everyones territory and of COURSE they dont like that! And then when we start imposing sanctions that prevent them from getting proper healthcare and whatever else happens over there.THATS the problem. Bin Laden said so himself. They hate the way USA supports Israel and they hate the sanctions this country holds on those countries. If it werent for those things, a lot of these problems would be non-existent. Yeah, they don't like the western influence, but that alone would not be enough to provoke them to terrorize us.
The 30 BILLION dollars spent on the Airforces 20 new B2 bombers could have been spent on energy conservation and devising ways to depend LESS on oil and coal. Solar power, wind power.shootbuild more freakin electric cars why havent any American manufacturers done this yet? America should focus their energy on the source of the conflict and not simply brute force. Leave the Middle East ALONE let them handle their own problems. Focus on the problems in the Americas, including Canada and South America. Sooner or later were going to deplete natural resources, so why not PLAN AHEAD and work on alternate sources NOW? That way our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will have someplace to live years from now, because at this rate were going to get nuked and/or terrorized for years to come AND the climate is going to make living conditions here in the USA extremely dangerous and harmful to our health and well-being. That is a fact and none of these war-hungry people seem to understand that. Use your head and think and dont be so trigger-happy. Like Realist says, this all due to Americas foreign policies thats the source, the root of all of this conflict. Why isnt this great country addressing these policies? Because it would go contrary to their interests, which have been stated over and over and over again MONEY.
Bush is going to invade Iraq, kick out Sadaam and then what? Its not going to solve ANYTHING. The next ruler will be just as evil. There will still be more terrorists attacks and there will continue to be until the foreign policy dilemma is addressed. Or USA takes over the world somehow. Thats what seems to be in the works in my opinion. Our military is ramping up and making their presence known in every region of the world. Not to say that is necessarily a bad thing, I just know it wont be an easy road, and a lot of innocent lives will be lost in the process.
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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical
by MrMoe injesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?
based upon what?
jehovah's rules?
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I have a problem with all of us being born into sin, thus deserving death. What the HECK is up with that? If a criminal convicted to life in prison gives birth to a son while she's in prison, does he automatically deserve life in prison too??!?!
I said that to support my other statement further above about how it would seem a lot more logical to me to start over from the start instead of watching your originally perfect creation turn out imperfect over and over and over again, watching them suffer, fight and die day after day after day for thousands of years. Just to prove a point. ??
Maybe God's logic clears this issue up. But until I hear that logic explained to me, it's difficult to accept what you've stated above.
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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical
by MrMoe injesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?
based upon what?
jehovah's rules?
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How can you be "spiritual" and need proof for everything? You need faith-trusting in something, though you might not see it. For example- is there a Japan? Yes. How do you know? Have you ever been there? (If so, replace Japan with somewhere you have not been) No you haven't. But, you believe it's there. Interesting...
this is one lousy example/illustration and you know it. There's more than ample evidence of the existence of countries on the earth. One does not have to "see" it literally to know it exists. The only way it couldn't exist is if we're all part of some "matrix" mind-programming scenario.
I have a problem with all of us being born into sin, thus deserving death. What the HECK is up with that? If a criminal convicted to life in prison gives birth to a son while she's in prison, does he automatically deserve life in prison too??!?!
(That's how you use illustrations)
I do not deny a Creator, I'm just waiting for the time when He makes himself known clearly. History and religion is too tainted nowadays by the words of man to know the real truth. We have a good idea of what the truth is....time will tell. I live a good life, do good to others, respect the earth and fellow beings to the best of my ability - if I'm damned to hell for THAT, than so be it. I don't want to be a part of a system where such actions are deemed as sin. I would think a loving God would understand how twisted the truth has become down through the years.
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war in Irak
by happy man in.
it look like busch is going to start war, sad, and unbelevebel that he dont listen to peopel who warning fore the consquenses, this could be the start fore something wery bad, war against musslim an christans all over the world.. .
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/international/middleeast/08mili .html?ex=1039928400&en=5ddab7815da6ba8a&ei=5062&partn er=google .
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You seen the movie John Q?
Health care in USA is twisted. More and more hospitals are becoming private corporations now. No telling what's in store for us.
Obviously it can work both ways (the USA way or European way) - as to who's system is better - I think that is highly debatable.
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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical
by MrMoe injesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?
based upon what?
jehovah's rules?
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Before this he never had manifested any of these traits. He became 'unclean' in the sight of God, and did not practice the fruitage of the spirit. This resulted in Death entering into the world. But God showed mercy as He can upon anyone whom He choses to do so and provided 'The Way' for all to attain everlasting life.
God showed mercy, eh? Seems like it would've been a lot more "merciful" if he wiped the slate clean right then and started all over. The way to everlasting life cost billions of miserable lives through the years - what kind of mercy is THAT?
He could drown the whole planet in the flood, but couldn't wipe out Adam & Eve and restart? Go frikkin figure. Gosh, these topics are SO interesting because I'm realizing more and more how much of the Bible really doesn't make sense.
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Is God just teasing us?
by joannadandy inok yesterday i was talking to my dad (moe's thread reminded me) he said something about how bad satan was...and said, yeah but "wasn't it eve and adam's fault?
i mean yeah satan laid out the sales pitch but they could have said no.
you know gone home, talked it over with god, it wasn't even that high pressured a sales pitch.
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I've heard it before and preached it before, but I can't remember seeing it in the Bible.
Pretty sad.
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war in Irak
by happy man in.
it look like busch is going to start war, sad, and unbelevebel that he dont listen to peopel who warning fore the consquenses, this could be the start fore something wery bad, war against musslim an christans all over the world.. .
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/international/middleeast/08mili .html?ex=1039928400&en=5ddab7815da6ba8a&ei=5062&partn er=google .
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I hope you're not insinuating that I'm one of those people - I just raised the question. It seems like the USA would have the defenses to not be concerned about something like that...??