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  Do you know of any "baptized" JW's that committed suicide or attempted?

  by booker-t in

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  i remember one of my childhood friends was found dead and the police said he committed suicide.

  i just could not believe it because my friend was a "devout" jw almost franatical about it.

  now years later since i have seen both sides of the coin i am beginning to wonder if my friend did indeed kill himself.

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  toreador

  I know of only one. I know the wife of the husband who killed himself.
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  2004 Worlwide Report

  by frogit in

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  i have the scanned 2004 report pm me and i will email them to you.

  grand total (235 lands) 6,513,132 2004 av pubs 6,308,341 inc over 2003 % 2.0 2004 no baptised 262,416 av pio pubs 858,461 no of congs 96,894 toal hours 1,282,234,887 av bible studies 6,085,387 memorial attendance 16,760,607 memorial partakers 8,570. note the fine increase!.

  frogit.

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  toreador

  Thanks for posting. I need to keep up on my spiritual food.
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  Name Things That You Can Be Counseled For

  by minimus in

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  i'll start.......a woman wearing a skirt higher than her knee and a child crying during a meeting

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  toreador

  I was counseled for talking with someone who was never baptized but was deemed to bad association.

  For long hair.

  For starting to grow a beard.

  For missing an assembly when we had 12 brand new baby puppies to take care.

  For missing too many meetings.

  For not going out in service enough.

  For not doing enough personal study.

  I am sure I am forgetting a few.
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  Assumption of Moses

  by googlemagoogle in

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  i've read claims (mentioning origen) that jude 9 would be a quote from the "assumption of moses", also known as the "testament of moses".

  however, i can't find any reference in this pseudepigraphical writing that would even losely have a connection to a fight between michael the archangel and the devil.

  what i also find confusing, that the "book of jubilees" is sometimes called "testament of moses" too, but that's a whole different story.

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  toreador

  May be off topic but maybe you could give me what you think.

  Do you think any Scripture is actually "inspired" of God? I tend to think it is just mans writings of what they thought was their experience with God.
  Tor
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  I need three good questions!

  by Dansk in

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  if it were possible to get a jw to actually listen to us, which three good questions do you reckon might get him/her to sit down and think?

  ian

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  toreador

  There were some excellent replies to this thread. esp Megadude, narkissos, etc.
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  How many of the Jacksons are Disfellowshipped or Disassociated?

  by booker-t in

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  2. bible

  does anybody know the current status of the jackson family.

  is michael jackson disfellowshipped or disassociated?

  what about latoya jackson?

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  toreador

  Blondie says:

  If a DF'd person puts money in the contribution box at the KH, I have never seen the elders give it back.

  Blondie

  Yeah, but they wont accept field service time. They accept money but not time, that BS IMO.
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  Marine Chooses Wedding Ring Over Finger :(

  by Nancy Drake in

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  http://abcnews.go.com/us/wirestory?id=323056

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  toreador

  Nutball
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  Do you believe Mary was a virgin?

  by JustTickledPink in

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  my catholic friend and i were talking the other night about the virgin mary.

  she doesn't even believe that she was a virgin and she doesn't believe in the immaculate conception.

  if you think about it logically today, if you had a fiance that went to visit relatives for a few months and then came back pregnant and told you it was god's child, would you believe it?

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  toreador

  I will be waiting Leolaia!
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  Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

  by truthseeker in

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  the january 15th wt, "can you control your future" is the prelude to the feb 1st watchtower that contains the 2004 annual service report statistics.. .

  in the second study article (pages 15-20), the gb acknowledge the fact that people aren't paying attention to their waffle.. .

  there are some surprising statements in the last paragraph, but first, let's highlight some points in this article.... .

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  toreador

  Very eye-opening thread.

  I had no idea that the Watchtower reported statistics so deviously.

  Yeah, I didnt realize they dang near twist everything they write to butter their own a$$ just a little bit sweeter.
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  Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the january 15th wt, "can you control your future" is the prelude to the feb 1st watchtower that contains the 2004 annual service report statistics.. .

  in the second study article (pages 15-20), the gb acknowledge the fact that people aren't paying attention to their waffle.. .

  there are some surprising statements in the last paragraph, but first, let's highlight some points in this article.... .

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  toreador

  Dave Sinclair confirmed this little bit of WTS statistical trivia to me a few years ago over a nice warm cup of Irish coffee.
  

  Marvin Shilmer

  If the WTS monitors these boards you better be careful what you offer by way of personal info.