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  The new Governing Body is liberal. they are really freeminders!

  by rege brazzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear friends, your posts are very good, but we really think that they will change many things soon...for example.

  watch tower now are feminist and they protect the gay cause.soon we will have many gay marriages in kingdom halls.you will see.that governing body is really cool.ted jaracz and john barr were the last puritans in the governing body!.

  the current governing body is completely liberal, but as yet has some bethelites the old guard working, they are still holding some behaviors .... but very soon you will see ... even in my congregation is very liberal ... not here disassociates for immorality .. just for apostasy ... i fucked three sister, but the elders did not shunned me, but they only help me!

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  Piss off
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  Canadian Bethel among the secretive charities

  by gone for good in

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  http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/11/15/audit_of_charities_encounters_resistance.html.

  interesting canadian information on popular charities.

  regarding the "cushion" factor that mentions how many years these charities could continue to function without a single donation remember that the wt brranches download all proceeds directly to new york.. classic cult conduct in handling donated fundswith minimal transparency.

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  Thank you for that. I will look it up.
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  Royal Commission National Redress Scheme. Average of $65,000 per victim, not including psychological fees and admin costs.

  by Lemonp in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the royal commission published it's redress report today.

  it is a 668 page document, but it is very interesting.

  all the recommendations they make are in harmony with what all other institutions will accept.

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  Morpheus.
  There will be a redress scheme. Australian will seize all WT assets owned by the society here in order to foot the bill. There may be some attempt to ship it all off to America or wherever they ship the money to.

  Don't doubt for one minute that there will be no money paid out to victims of sexual abuse by the WT here in Australia. I have not been off the mark so far and I feel I am definitely on the mark now.

  Not to argue with you, for that is not my aim. Civil litigation. A pool of funding, forced or whatever, will be taken from WT.
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  Two JWs visited

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just had two female jws visit, one in their 30s and the other about 20. .

  they invited me to their convention to learn about jesus, they said it is three days long but i don't need to attend every day and she highlighted one session at 11.15am where i could learn about jesus.. i said to her that i wouldn't be interested in attending the convention because i believed what a man called rutherford said about religion being a snare and a racket.

  they wanted to know who this rutherford guy was and after explaining knew who i was talking about.

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  If they do return either together or not. It may be that there is some doubt already in their heads. If they are young and weary of the endless rules and control, you never know what might have sunk in.

  It is very surprising that they talked at all or listened for that matter. Personally, I think you might have planted the seedling of reason in their minds.

  You never know do you?
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  Who knows Natheer Salih ?

  by rege brazzy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many bro s spoken about the bethelite natheer salih as a wise iraquian jew that became jw.he worked in writting dpertmente.

  somebody knows him ?

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  Rothschild involved with the WT? Where do I find more on this please?
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  Canadian Bethel among the secretive charities

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/11/15/audit_of_charities_encounters_resistance.html.

  interesting canadian information on popular charities.

  regarding the "cushion" factor that mentions how many years these charities could continue to function without a single donation remember that the wt brranches download all proceeds directly to new york.. classic cult conduct in handling donated fundswith minimal transparency.

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  So WT is one of the richest charities and refused to hand over their financial records. Not a good look is it? What have they got to hide? I can imagine so many things. And surely this refusal to show where the money goes is going to raise suspicions even higher,
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  Today's Watchtower Study

  by sprintcmp in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so my uber devoted mom called me this morning....wanted to encourage to go to the hall today.

  she has called my df brother also to encourage him.

  our deliverance is getting near, she says....and you need to get to the meeting today.

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  By the way. His point about a utopian world as is preached by some religions was astute. His point being that this belief " being very dangerous due to the means justifying the end" ( my paraphrase) was excellent.

  I have said before, that it has taken me years to allow myself to watch talks like this, and now that I am. I find myself very absorbed. I've lived my life being told how wicked the world is and now I am going through some sort of change.....a good one but a slow one.
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  Today's Watchtower Study

  by sprintcmp in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so my uber devoted mom called me this morning....wanted to encourage to go to the hall today.

  she has called my df brother also to encourage him.

  our deliverance is getting near, she says....and you need to get to the meeting today.

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  Very interesting video. I watched it all the way through, I don't have anything to compare his statistics with, but would be interested to find some rebuttal and then compare...Only out of curiosity. And not from a religiously negative approach.

  Thank you for posting this, Could you please tell me where you found this as it would be interesting to find a list of lectures given by such erudite men and women.
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  Who am I to screw up their happiness?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that was the question to me tonight.

  because of their beliefs they have a moral compass, a net work of friends and a support group.

  they have what they believe is a loving god.

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  I think it's a case of taking away a lifestyle for the oldies. My sister is ten years older than me. He son is an elder and the other one is disfellowshipped and truly f&*^%$d up emotionally, mentally and spiritually. He was so clever with music, played in a band, that band were going places.

  What stopped him from gaining his full potential? The shunning and loneliness of missing his family. He was in his early twenties when EMI was about to sign them up for a contract that would have opened the world up to them. But he was lonely and indoctrinated, so he crawled home a mess, gave everything up, let the band down and has not played one tune in fifteen years. He is also still disfellowshipped and living in a twilight zone.

  My sister is quite happy for me to die, for my other sister to die. My other sister and me have been separated from each other all our lives until recently. Now we talk in a real sense. She has faded very well and without too much notice. I think the children are the ones who need to be protected from this sect and it's constant message of doom and misery...I think all the comments above have some value.
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  Extreme emotions re today's watchtower

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was supposed to attend the meeting today, one of my once a month duties for the sake of my family and my fade.

  i read the wt and i just can't stomach going.... what this wt does is again and again reiterate that only jws will survive the coming destruction and that they should be happy about this and raise ourselves erect...eg:.

  we cannot expect that many people will suddenly convert to true christianity.

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  No doubt God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message. This may well involve a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.

  Oh my God!! This is exactly what that elder said to me about a month ago. My sister too.

  What are they going to do? Stand out in the street wearing those funny boards yelling..The end is nigh?!!" I can't believe they are jumping ahead of the bible.....literally...again! Only a short time ago I grabbed the updated Revelations book that they had studied a few years back. (it was prior to the RC and I have been visited every week, but that's another story) I told him it was interesting how few books they had today compared to the vast amounts that were printed over the decades. " He said, " Oh we don't read those anymore, they are old material and are understanding has grown". Then the whole issue came out about how they have done away with types and ante-types.

  In other words, unless it is specifically stated as a prophecy in the bible, they no longer attribute the many confusing passages that they once gave all sorts of future meanings to.

  This is when I asked him about the clear word "prophecy" in Revelations, it's confusion of meaning, the fact that it's a future event that is not understood......I could have just banged my head on a wall for all his wary resentment of me.

  He's an "ELDER". And who in the hell was I to find any fault with the orgynization!!

  I have daughters, grandchildren who are loving and beautiful. I have a really old, funny, and slightly wicked neighbour who I watch footy with. She's a Catholic and 89 years of age. And I love her. She is at Church every single Sunday and has never failed. Does she slam it down my throat and tell me I'm going to die? No.

  I too am watching the good people in Europe who are trying to help those fleeing persecution from their own countries....

  Read fulltimestudents post on that. Yet we have people who are good, who do care.

  I don't want god to kill my friends off on this forum, my family, my friends. What about our pets? Unless you've got birds....preferably crows or vultures...

  
  

  This is terrible reading, it's wicked. And I am upset...really upset about it today. I spent the weekend with people I really love.